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Old 11-04-2013, 09:33 PM #379
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I usually love the CSL/GSL type styling but I personally prefer the 3.1 over the GSL This time. I can see why people are a little upset that the CSL style tip isn't include, there is a pretty significant price increase for the "limited" features of the GSL, a few more touches such as a carbon fiber tip etc. would have made it more justifiable to some people. Nonetheless the GSL's still have the small run and some pretty serious milling going for them.
I can kind of respect eclipse not doing that though as it does protect the people who purchased CSL's from them
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:09 PM #380
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I usually love the CSL/GSL type styling but I personally prefer the 3.1 over the GSL This time. I can see why people are a little upset that the CSL style tip isn't include, there is a pretty significant price increase for the "limited" features of the GSL, a few more touches such as a carbon fiber tip etc. would have made it more justifiable to some people. Nonetheless the GSL's still have the small run and some pretty serious milling going for them.
a mere 300$ increase. Lets see what the 3.1 does not come with.

Lets see:
New bolt
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quick release
extra trigger
full barrel kit
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Extra bolt

I can see 300$ value right here. like every other SL holds their value, the sl8r's are selling for 600 still, while a Ego 11's with dart kit is selling for 500.
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Old 11-05-2013, 12:42 AM #381
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:55 AM #382
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Sick gewn. If I still played, I'd rock one.
why are you still on paintball forums if you dont play?
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Old 11-05-2013, 03:13 AM #383
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I usually love the CSL/GSL type styling but I personally prefer the 3.1 over the GSL This time. I can see why people are a little upset that the CSL style tip isn't include, there is a pretty significant price increase for the "limited" features of the GSL, a few more touches such as a carbon fiber tip etc. would have made it more justifiable to some people. Nonetheless the GSL's still have the small run and some pretty serious milling going for them.


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a mere 300$ increase. Lets see what the 3.1 does not come with.

Lets see:
New bolt
new can
quick release
extra trigger
full barrel kit
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Extra bolt

I can see 300$ value right here. like every other SL holds their value, the sl8r's are selling for 600 still, while a Ego 11's with dart kit is selling for 500.

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why are you still on paintball forums if you dont play?
Maybe he's trying to learn how to spell...... WTF is a gewn?
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:13 AM #384
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I usually love the CSL/GSL type styling but I personally prefer the 3.1 over the GSL This time. I can see why people are a little upset that the CSL style tip isn't include, there is a pretty significant price increase for the "limited" features of the GSL, a few more touches such as a carbon fiber tip etc. would have made it more justifiable to some people. Nonetheless the GSL's still have the small run and some pretty serious milling going for them.

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you crack me up. Every sl has built on the previous one, the sl barrel kits go sl1, sl2, sl3...They made a new barrel kit for the csl, and you don't get it with the gsl or a new sl kit that's better. you can justify it any way you want but its stupid. I get that people like this gun and I have one preordered myself but can we please stop throwing common sense out the window?
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:55 AM #385
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you crack me up. Every sl has built on the previous one, the sl barrel kits go sl1, sl2, sl3...They made a new barrel kit for the csl, and you don't get it with the gsl or a new sl kit that's better. you can justify it any way you want but its stupid. I get that people like this gun and I have one preordered myself but can we please stop throwing common sense out the window?
I believe you are missing the point.
brandondeane2 commented about the price increase between the 3.1 and GSL. They were merely pointing out that while some of it sure is mark-up for exclusivity there are additional features that also eat up the $300 price difference.
2 additional PE shaft 4 barrel backs ($50/ea) - $100
Additional 16" Front piece - $45
Additional aluminum trigger - approx $40

You are at almost $200 right there ($185 to be exact). Is it that hard to justify the last $115? Other companies mark up just that much for a different ano job or milling.
So with things like;
- quick release cap (which the 3.1 doesn't have)
- a new bolt assembly (which the 3.1 doesn't have)
- exclusive milling (which the 3.1 doesn't have)
- come with eportal kit (which the 3.1 doesn't)

plus anything else I may be leaving out, is the price difference really that hard to swallow?
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:24 AM #386
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I believe you are missing the point. brandondeane2 commented about the price increase between the 3.1 and GSL. They were merely pointing out that while some of it sure is mark-up for exclusivity there are additional features that also eat up the $300 price difference. 2 additional PE shaft 4 barrel backs ($50/ea) - $100 Additional 16" Front piece - $45 Additional aluminum trigger - approx $40 You are at almost $200 right there ($185 to be exact). Is it that hard to justify the last $115? Other companies mark up just that much for a different ano job or milling. So with things like; - quick release cap (which the 3.1 doesn't have) - a new bolt assembly (which the 3.1 doesn't have) - exclusive milling (which the 3.1 doesn't have) - come with eportal kit (which the 3.1 doesn't) plus anything else I may be leaving out, is the price difference really that hard to swallow?
you could even say color matching grips, since 3.1 comes with black grips.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:18 AM #387
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Reallyl ike this gun. I did head DLX is coming out with a new gun in Feb. Anyone else hear that?? might have to hold out for that before I make a decision
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Old 11-05-2013, 12:16 PM #388
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They were merely pointing out that while some of it sure is mark-up for exclusivity there are additional features that also eat up the $300 price difference.
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Wait $300 increase I thought the difference in price was $500?

1,850 - 1,395 = 455

Unless I missed something.

If it was $300 increase to the GSL I it would totally be worth it, but I think $450 is a bit much...
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Old 11-05-2013, 12:46 PM #389
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Wait $300 increase I thought the difference in price was $500? 1,850 - 1,395 = 455 Unless I missed something. If it was $300 increase to the GSL I it would totally be worth it, but I think $450 is a bit much...
You're correct. Calculating at 1495. Even though that would have been 350. But still, my error.

But the rest is still true. Almost $200 of that is what it would cost for just the full barrel kit and extra trigger
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:38 PM #390
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The price difference between geo3.1 and gsl is not worth it, IMO no gun is worth $1850.. and considering it's the same gun..
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:34 PM #391
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Reallyl ike this gun. I did head DLX is coming out with a new gun in Feb. Anyone else hear that?? might have to hold out for that before I make a decision
Rumors were new OLED board that was backwards compatible, which would be consistent with their previous developments.

I've pre-ordered my 3.1 through a team already. Pretty psyched about it, but I'm sure in 18 months or so there'll be a Geo4 with the features of the GSL.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:27 PM #392
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Rumors were new OLED board that was backwards compatible, which would be consistent with their previous developments.

I've pre-ordered my 3.1 through a team already. Pretty psyched about it, but I'm sure in 18 months or so there'll be a Geo4 with the features of the GSL.
It won't be a few months. The Geo 2's were released around August 2010. The 2.1 update didn't come until early 2011 and the Geo 3 wasn't released until late 2012. It's taken a year to get to the 3.1 update and I'd be very surprised if the Geo 4 comes out before the 4th event next year. I'd say we've got 9 months before we see it, and it will have the upgraded bolt, or even a different/better bolt and quick release.

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considering it's the same gun..
But it's not.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:51 PM #394
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But it's not.
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Well then let's settle this.

I know there are at least minor changes. The GSL assembly screws together which is different. Is the actual bolt piece different? If it is different, is it different enough to change the the way the gun shoots?

I've heard that the GSL's were making 9 pods and a hopper off a 68 fill, and that statement was made as if Geo3's weren't getting that efficiency. Clearly, very few guns live up to their manufacturers boasting. But it was a claim that made me believe there was a difference.

So what is it?
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I believe you are missing the point.
brandondeane2 commented about the price increase between the 3.1 and GSL. They were merely pointing out that while some of it sure is mark-up for exclusivity there are additional features that also eat up the $300 price difference.
2 additional PE shaft 4 barrel backs ($50/ea) - $100
Additional 16" Front piece - $45
Additional aluminum trigger - approx $40

You are at almost $200 right there ($185 to be exact). Is it that hard to justify the last $115? Other companies mark up just that much for a different ano job or milling.
So with things like;
- quick release cap (which the 3.1 doesn't have)
- a new bolt assembly (which the 3.1 doesn't have)
- exclusive milling (which the 3.1 doesn't have)
- come with eportal kit (which the 3.1 doesn't)

plus anything else I may be leaving out, is the price difference really that hard to swallow?
Because people dont understand. They just see the price and get all butt hurt about it because they cannot afford it.

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you could even say color matching grips, since 3.1 comes with black grips.
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Wait $300 increase I thought the difference in price was $500?

1,850 - 1,395 = 455

Unless I missed something.

If it was $300 increase to the GSL I it would totally be worth it, but I think $450 is a bit much...
Not really.... Take it further than soul did.

-Bolt; thats a upgrade. DLX charges what $100 for their drop in. So, It would be feasible to say its a $100 upgrade considering its also a quick release now
-Colored grips; $45
-Milling; figure out what one would charge for that.
-E-portal; $35
-Exclusivity; what do you value that at?
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Because people dont understand. They just see the price and get all butt hurt about it because they cannot afford it.
again with this. Maybe that describes some people, maybe not. I love your elitist attitude but sorry $2k isn't a lot for tons of people, especially if they already play paintball. Like I said I have one pre-ordered but that doesn't mean I have to become a zombie nut swinger and cant acknowledge things that aren't great about the gun. Its should have come with cf barrel tips, plain and simple, end of story. Ill be "butthurt" all day long over that. That being sad I do think sl's exclusivity alone starting with the 08 models makes it worth the price.


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Not really.... Take it further than soul did.

-Bolt; thats a upgrade. DLX charges what $100 for their drop in. So, It would be feasible to say its a $100 upgrade considering its also a quick release now
-Colored grips; $45
-Milling; figure out what one would charge for that.
-E-portal; $35
-Exclusivity; what do you value that at?
This isn't exactly apples to apples. When you pay dlx $100 for the extra bolt, you still keep your old one. This is just a different bolt, a new design. But its not adding much new cost when its just replacing the old one that would have been there. Minor retooling costs sure, but we're not talking an extra $100 per gun. Same with the colored grips, if you wanted a pair of black ones, it'd be an extra $45. Im sure everyone wont see it this way but when the vypor comes with green grips that don't really match the green parts that well(like it looks in the pics) I wouldn't be very happy and would have preferred black. You're dead right with the exclusivity and milling(which includes the quick release bolt).
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Not really elitist bud. $2k isn't ****. Especially in the small realm of playing paintball, as you stated. I am willing to bet though, that 90% of the people *****ing, it is a lot of money to them and the only reason they are *****ing is because they cannot afford it.

As far as the carbon tips go? Are you still ****ing on this? What about the other SL editions that didnt get them? Should they go back and reimburse them? It was a special part of the CSL, it was for the CSL only,The end. What cannot be understood about this? Seriously. Some of you its like talking to a god damn brick wall. Oh, and what the **** are you doing ordering one if you aren't happy with it? Seems pretty ****ing ignorant to me.
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Well then let's settle this.

I know there are at least minor changes. The GSL assembly screws together which is different. Is the actual bolt piece different? If it is different, is it different enough to change the the way the gun shoots?

I've heard that the GSL's were making 9 pods and a hopper off a 68 fill, and that statement was made as if Geo3's weren't getting that efficiency. Clearly, very few guns live up to their manufacturers boasting. But it was a claim that made me believe there was a difference.

So what is it?
i beleive it was 8-9 pods and possibly a hopper off a 77 filled to 3000psi... if your going on jack woods talking about tim montressor.....

thats a decent jump in efficiency i think....
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