Originally Posted by Lane Wright
. But I think the Tontons player entered the field knowing they were shooting hot because I spoke with the Tontons player and who said they entered the field knowing they were shooting hot.
Me too. Apparently one of us heard what he wanted to hear from his favorite team. Or maybe the player you talked to lied to you. Or maybe they lied to me and wanted to be punished for something they didn't do. Or maybe, I'm lying about what they told me. Of those possibilities, only one seems to have any possibility of reasonable motive.
And if you'd ever introduced yourself to me at one of the 60+ International Professional events I've run, or the 20 plus professional world wide webcasts I've produced, or any of the hundred or so pro tournaments I've played in, you could have introduced yourself to me so that you could teach me...
Condescending psycho babble that's obviously hiding blind patriotism isn't a very good way of getting your points across. Just sayin'.
The regs were screwed up. They knew their regs were screwed up. Instead of having them changed, they chose to shoot clearing shots whereas to not be caught before the point started. They knew that after 3 or 4 shots they would be at or under the limit. They knew that if chonoed during a game while shooting they'd be at or under the limit.
I do not believe they had any intention of gaining a playing advantage. I believe they (negligently) felt the safety risk was marginal as once the started rolling the gun, and based on their intentions of continuing to shoot the guns during the match, the velocity would continue to stay at acceptable levels. That's doesn't mean that I'm OK with the thought process. But, it is my opinion that they wrongly felt like their understanding that only the first few shots being hot somehow negated the dangers of their decision.
I, unlike some others, do not think having the first 3 or 4 shots shooting at high and very inconsistent speeds is an tactical advantage. I also cannot understand why anyone with any sense would risk the penalty to have such a short lived, debatable at best, "advantage". I have talked with a lot of people who's opinions I respect and some of them disagree with my position on the advantages. But, in the end, my opinion is the one that matters. I've earned that position.
I know from the conversation with the players that they took the field with guns that they knew were outside of the limits. It is dangerous. It is arrogant. And it is unacceptable behavior from any team - much less a professional team with 20+ years of experience.
They broke the rules. They have been punished. I believe the punishment fits the circumstance and sincerely believe they've learned a lesson. If that proves to be a wrong belief and they are caught taking the field with guns in excess of the limits, regardless of the cause, regardless of their nationality, regardless of their sponsors, regardless of the opinion of Millennium webcast announcers, brilliant yet modest Danes, anonymous 15 year old forum posters, and/or Baca Loco, they will be permanently removed from PSP events.
Tonton's are a VERY good paintball team. They made mistakes in judgement and are paying the price. They'll come back better and stronger. PSP is one of the very few entities in all of the sport that is growing. Good people work for this company. The people here aren't always right. But we put the time in to try to get as much right as possible. And based on our recent track record, we seem to be doing a pretty good job of it.
It happened. It's been dealt with justly. It's over. Let it go. Go bash Obama, SEC Football, or Miley Cyrus. Hate on the things that don't really matter. But stop jumping at the opportunity to tear down the thing we all love. It's dumb.
Do not know how to use properly this forum in order to reply to this pathetic post.
First of all Mr Wright, i must make a few things clear. I can not let you to drag the tontons through the mud like you are doing while you know perfectly they are not cheaters. You know they have only stock DM13 . (everything is out from the box)
They have no break mode, no possibility to modify velocity despite most of pro teams have.
You know perfectly that Loic Voulot (the bad guy) only the first shot was hot (extremely hot) because of a damage o ring in the hyper3 regulator. Everything was stock inside, board, reg, orings.The Hyper 3 black o ring damaged was leaking, increasing the pressure in the gun making it shooting more than 300fps for the first shoot. His gun was not set up at 350 to play. Only the first shot was high depending of the time you wait before to shoot. This is not the result of a cheating behavior but a gun problem.
Tontons are one of the cleanest pro team on the circuit. They work very hard.
They are probably the ‘TonTon’ generation the most talented and dedicated to the sport.
They are true ambassador of it and all people who know them know what I am talking about.
I am not answering this post to defend them because it is not for me acceptable to get 4 guns show on the same game. It is not professional at all.
But according to me they already paid the high price by not been able to play the world cup in pro divison.
Now you want to make an example to show how the great league is looking after the players. Why not but you should be able to do it only if you have proof that they were cheating. You know they were not cheating and also, none of the players told you they were entering the field knowing they were shooting hot. It means no Proof.
So now by sanctionning them we can consider it is a tonton vendetta!
You do not want to see tontons or a French team playing the PSP. Fine. Now we know and be sure they should not come back until a lot of things change in the PSP.
But do you realize that you are sanctioning heavily a team only because of guns show (one of them was very hot, i agree, like the CEP player which was shooting over 400 for probably the same regulator problem) while some are shooting hot at all your events for years using crazy cheating board, modified regulator or simply keys diretcly on the field:
If you want a concrete example just watch this one : (you should easily recognize the 1st PSP player according to your player statistic which is increasing the velocity just before the point with an Allan key!)
If you really want to protect your customer you should really sanction the real cheaters.
the one which are playing over 300 fps all the time. I do not need to supply you a list you know perfectly which teams and players i am talking about. Nearly everybody know it at teh PSP and let it happen.
Also, you should try to stop teams fixing games. According to your rule
9.1.11. Every player on any team that intentionally gives up points to an opponent or plots to set scores with opponents will be assessed a major suspension.
I can give you also a good list.
Just an example. The game betwen Damage and Infamous at the MAO which allowed Infamous to play CEP for the relegation game instead of the russion legion!
Do you thing from a team perspective it is fair competition?
What shall I thing when the Captain of a Pro us team tell me at the beginning of the year, that Iron Men and Infamous will never been relegated in the Challenger division and later i see 2 fixed games (out of 4) in the same group at the MAO event!
Mr Wright the only think you are correct, the league is growing and you might do something right !