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Old 08-08-2013, 11:09 PM #22
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It will be interesting to see the comparisons between this and the Torque. They sound kinda similar, stacked-tubes that aren't poppets.
When Griffan said that year before last at Vegas I was working on it - that one was somewhat similar to what J4 is doing -but it too (like all Aliens) had a SMC valve that moved the bolt forward and back. We have stayed away from Spring backs or the use of stored air to drive the bolt back. Some say the spring back - like the Infinity Legend and the DP Fusion are just as good, and some now use the stored air to drive the bolt back - Which as I understand it is what J4 does. Alien has simply chosen not to go that route.
Anyway - you won't find much similar between the two. I need a couple of weeks to get things settled and I will have an explanation on exactly how it works.
I already had the Independence shooting in the low 60's on the LPR and this will be less but I don't want to promise anything until I have the final numbers.
Same with the efficiency. Looks to be as efficient, but until I have all the numbers I can't say for sure. Thing is that the original design was to be where players could swap out the "new smoother engine" for a more efficient "poppet engine" but it may be that the quieter engine is just as efficient so there wouldn't be a need to have both.
It's just that when you do a prototype gun and you then do the production gun, things change. We are not doing a second prototype, this a production gun and we will decide if there is a reason to have one engine or two.

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I get that that is a dare to get me to post a pic - because you have been around Alien long enough to know we don't release before we have it done - no "Shens" here. Anyway, give me a few days and we get it to you.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:40 PM #23
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Old 08-09-2013, 01:41 AM #24
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Old 08-09-2013, 08:11 AM #26
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Old 08-09-2013, 08:34 AM #27
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Jack can you at least give us a price point?
Well, hard to say, want to give great value but milling is very intense so don't know what it costs until we know how long on the mill.
Will keep it under the $999 because IMO you should be getting big time extras or that is enough to cover any gun. Sadly if you do keep in under a grand then some don't want to believe it's as good as more expensive guns.
What can you do - you do the best you can and let the chips fall...
At some point we will introduce an extruded version, much simpler milling and charge less, but that will take some time.
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Well, hard to say, want to give great value but milling is very intense so don't know what it costs until we know how long on the mill.
Will keep it under the $999 because IMO you should be getting big time extras or that is enough to cover any gun. Sadly if you do keep in under a grand then some don't want to believe it's as good as more expensive guns.
What can you do - you do the best you can and let the chips fall...
At some point we will introduce an extruded version, much simpler milling and charge less, but that will take some time.
Yes!!! Go extruded version!!!
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I'm curious to see what this will bring. I know XSV rocked Alien's back a few years, and it didn't seem to do much to boost Alien into the brands viewed as top tier... but I know a few local guys who swear by these guns.
Interested to see what comes of this.
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Old 08-09-2013, 11:32 AM #31
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very excited about this, always loved aliens. Had my remains for a couple years, then my 09 Indy until this past fall. I shouldn't have gotten rid of it tho I still haven't found a gun I'm 100% happy with yet, hopefully this one will be it
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very excited about this, always loved aliens. Had my remains for a couple years, then my 09 Indy until this past fall. I shouldn't have gotten rid of it tho I still haven't found a gun I'm 100% happy with yet, hopefully this one will be it
I still shot my remains and Indy just about every weekend.
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Not going to lie, i've been watching AlienPB for a while now and have to say Jack is a stand-up type of guy. Honest, helpful and makes some quality stuff. If this alien works as good as it sounds I think it will be time to open up the wallet for one!
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:10 PM #38
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Sadly if you do keep in under a grand then some don't want to believe it's as good as more expensive guns.
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Old 08-09-2013, 08:55 PM #40
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I was going to buy an invasion but might save that money to go towards the deception!!
I don't believe invasions are offered anymore anywayd
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