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Old 05-23-2013, 04:10 PM #1
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Vanquish Tuning Guide + Hot vs. Cold Weather Tips

Vanquish Tuning Guide and Hot vs. Cold Weather Tips

The purpose of this thread is to help guide users to get the best performance out of their Vanquish in any weather they might run into.

UPDATE - The 1.5 Vanquish and 2015 Vanquish come with 2 bolts. Either bolt is fine to use in any weather. The only performance difference between the bolts is the Maximum Rate of Fire and the Recoil you will feel. Neither bolt is better than the other for cold/hot weather.


WARNING: TUNE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
It is not recommended to change the Vanquish from its default settings unless you are an experienced paintball marker user. Should changing settings cause any issues always revert to default settings when troubleshooting. No tuning should be done until marker has at least 10,000 cycles on the bolt system.


Glossary Terms:
Bolt Stick – when the marker has not been fired for some time the first shot comes out with low velocity or the marker does not fully cycle.
First Shot Drop Off (FSDO) - Synonymous with Bolt Stick, FSDO means when the marker has not been fired for some time the first shot comes out with low velocity.
Dwell – The time the solenoid is energized
Anti-Bolt Stick Dwell (ABS Dwell) – The extra amount of milliseconds added to the Dwell setting if ABS is active.
Anti-Bolt Stick Wait Time (ABS Time) – The time after the previous cycle when ABS Dwell will become active. For example, if the ABS Time setting is 30 seconds, after 30 seconds the electronics will add the setting for ABS Dwell onto the current Dwell setting to prevent Bolt Stick (ABS Dwell + Dwell = Total Dwell for first shot)

Default Settings:
In the SYSTEM menu of the Vanquish circuit board there is a factory reset feature that will easily allow you to reset the circuit board to default settings. Should you choose to reset the settings manually the most important settings to reset are the Dwell (default 18.0ms), ABS Time (default 30s) and ABS Dwell (default 8ms or 15ms depending on firmware version).


Cold Weather Tips (Below 55*F) (Use any bolt)
-Keep the Dwell setting at a minimum of 18.0ms. Increase dwell to 20.0ms or higher if there are cycling issues.
-Lube the marker more often than normal and use less lube to prevent bolt stick
-Highly recommended to add paintball marker oil to your normal lube in cold weather to reduce friction in the bolt system. This will allow the bolt to cycle more freely. Gold cup oil is a good example of this.
-If experiencing bolt stick or First Shot Drop Off (FSDO) decrease the ABS Wait Time to 30s maximum and increase the ABS Dwell to 20ms minimum.
- It is recommended to keep the battery above half as a minimum in very cold weather to ensure reliable performance.
- If FSDO is still occurring after using the settings above increase ABS Dwell further. It is normal to have ABS dwell as high as 40ms in very cold weather, for example snowy conditions.
-Lastly if you are not getting reliable cycling you should change to bolt o-ring (size 016 70duro) to a buna o-ring of the same spec as buna o-rings typically run larger and may offer a tighter seal.


Warm Weather Tuning Tips (Above 55*F)(Use any bolt):
In warm weather it may be possible to tune your Vanquish for greater air efficiency or an even smoother cycle than normal. You will need to have the ability to shoot paintballs to tune the marker properly.


How to tune for greater air efficiency(Use any bolt):
Take note that tuning your Vanquish is this way may make the marker less gentle on fragile paintballs, slightly louder, and increase kick slightly. It is not recommended to tune the marker this way for very cold weather.

Step 1 – Make sure your marker has been properly lubricated before starting tuning.
Step 2 – Size paint and barrel properly to get a tight barrel to paint match. It should be just too tight to blow the ball through the barrel.
Step 2 – Set the pressure between 190-200psi
Step 3 – In the CONFIG menu begin to lower the dwell 2ms at a time until the velocity drops below your acceptable level.
Step 5 – Once velocity is too low raise Dwell by .5ms at a time until desired velocity is achieved. Step 6 - Once desired velocity is reached raise Dwell by an additional .5 to 1.0ms to ensure proper cycling
Note - If air efficiency is your main goal you may also experiment with removing the Vanquish bolt spring as this will allow the valve to close more quickly saving air. To compensate for spring removal ABS Dwell may need to be increased to prevent FSDO.


How to tune for a smoother shot (Use the red soft shot bolt):
Note tuning the Vanquish in this way may lower maximum ROF and decrease air efficiency. To get a smooth shot you must balance the pressure of the marker and the Dwell setting. The lower the pressure is set the higher the dwell must be to allow the marker to fully cycle.

Step 1 – Make sure your marker has been properly lubricated before starting tuning.
Step 2 – Size paint and barrel properly to get a tight barrel to paint match. It should be just tight enough to blow the ball through the barrel.
Step 3 – Chronograph the marker to desired velocity at default settings.
Step 4 – Raise the dwell by 1ms
Step 5 – Lower the pressure by 5-10psi
Step 6 – Chronograph the marker
Step 7 – Repeat steps 4 to 6 until velocity is too low
Step 8 – Increase pressure until desired Velocity is again achieved, increase dwell by .5-1.0ms to ensure proper cycling
Step 9 (optional) - If your ROF is now too low decrease the BIP Time. The BIP time may be put down to as low as 1ms if a force feed hopper is being used.
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Old 01-26-2014, 05:28 PM #2
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How I can play with the operating pressure on the board?
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Old 01-26-2014, 05:30 PM #3
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I mean, I want to put the operating pressure lower
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Old 01-26-2014, 09:25 PM #4
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You use the screw on the Asa/reg to lower pressure
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Old 01-26-2014, 09:38 PM #5
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Ok let me see if i understand. Is the same one it shows on the screen of the oled right? So the same srew i use to set the fps is the same for the operating pressure?
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Old 09-22-2014, 06:37 PM #7
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after I hit factory reset it turned on a tournament lock, how do disable the lock
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I used this to set my gun for cold weather. I have the ABS wait time at 10 & the ABS Dwell is as high as it goes. The gun cycles; but has serious bolt stick the first few trigger pulls; then it eventually comes around.

Any further things I can do to reduce the stick?
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I used this to set my gun for cold weather. I have the ABS wait time at 10 & the ABS Dwell is as high as it goes. The gun cycles; but has serious bolt stick the first few trigger pulls; then it eventually comes around.

Any further things I can do to reduce the stick?
If its that bad then its probably due to bad o-rings or lack our fresh lube. Most guns should be fine with an ABS dwell of 25 or less.

According to the engine diagram on page 25 of the Vanquish Manual here: http://www.paintballsolutions.com/05...Manual-ENG.pdf
You should look at changing the following o-rings in this order, test after you change each one at a time. - 7, 5, 2c, 1c, 1d
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So first outing today with our new squishes not a single one worked properly bolts where lubed and clean and lubed etc etc etc. abs was maxed out, dwell up in the 30's and so on. Was -2 in the morning maybe got upto 0/1. Gave up after a while and used another marker . Any ideas what we could of done get them going, bolt stick was that bad I never even managed to chrono mine
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So first outing today with our new squishes not a single one worked properly bolts where lubed and clean and lubed etc etc etc. abs was maxed out, dwell up in the 30's and so on. Was -2 in the morning maybe got upto 0/1. Gave up after a while and used another marker . Any ideas what we could of done get them going, bolt stick was that bad I never even managed to chrono mine
You should change the bolt o-ring, which is usually urethane size 016 to a buna o-ring of the same size. We noticed in freezing weather this particular o-ring shrinks slightly causing cycling issues.
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Thanks for all the Infos, but they are not 100% right for the Vanquish 2 (2015)

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Cold Weather Tips (Below 55*F) (Use any bolt)
-If experiencing bolt stick or First Shot Drop Off (FSDO) decrease the ABS Wait Time to 30s maximum and increase the ABS Dwell to 20ms minimum.
Ive changed this Setting on my V2 and got serious Trouble. After some time of rest the Marker was not Shooting properly at all. Only we i first shot enough to get it going well, it was working.

Changed the ABS Dwell back to the Standard 8 ms and it worked like a charm.
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Thanks for all the Infos, but they are not 100% right for the Vanquish 2 (2015)



Ive changed this Setting on my V2 and got serious Trouble. After some time of rest the Marker was not Shooting properly at all. Only we i first shot enough to get it going well, it was working.

Changed the ABS Dwell back to the Standard 8 ms and it worked like a charm.
Can you tell us what you adjusted the ABS dwell setting to that caused an issue? Did you have the rest of the settings stock or did you change other settings as well? Can you tell us specifically what your problem was when you adjusted the settings? Your explanation needs to be more specific so it can help out the community.

The ABS Dwell setting is identical in the 2015 Vanquish and the original Vanquish.
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Yes sure. My Vanquish 2 is updated to the 1.08 Firmware (newest avaiable, and updated because the Connection Software told me, that there is a newer firmware) Settings - Factory Reset
Fire Mode - Millenium (no further Change)

I then adjusted the ABS Dwell to 18 or 20 ms.
When the gun was switched off for some Minutes, it wasnt Shooting properly. Difficult to describe - when i triggered, sometimes a shot was fired, most of the shots he was sort of softly blowing/spitting the balls. Often they just rolled out.
Even if i stopped Shooting and waited some time, it wasnt working well.

I was somehow able to get it running bye doing single shots with some time in between, and then it was working normally. Until i switched the gun off for some minutes.

I then adjusted the ABS Dwell to the Standard value of 3ms and since then it works like a charm. No Problems anymore.

I hope this describes the Problem a bit better.

On a side note, what is the correct Firmware ?
I was sure the gun was delivered with 2.04 - newest i could find was 1.08 and the Connection Software indicates also, that 1.08 is the most actual Firmware.
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Yes sure. My Vanquish 2 is updated to the 1.08 Firmware (newest avaiable, and updated because the Connection Software told me, that there is a newer firmware) Settings - Factory Reset
Fire Mode - Millenium (no further Change)

I then adjusted the ABS Dwell to 18 or 20 ms.
When the gun was switched off for some Minutes, it wasnt Shooting properly. Difficult to describe - when i triggered, sometimes a shot was fired, most of the shots he was sort of softly blowing/spitting the balls. Often they just rolled out.
Even if i stopped Shooting and waited some time, it wasnt working well.

I was somehow able to get it running bye doing single shots with some time in between, and then it was working normally. Until i switched the gun off for some minutes.

I then adjusted the ABS Dwell to the Standard value of 3ms and since then it works like a charm. No Problems anymore.

I hope this describes the Problem a bit better.

On a side note, what is the correct Firmware ?
I was sure the gun was delivered with 2.04 - newest i could find was 1.08 and the Connection Software indicates also, that 1.08 is the most actual Firmware.
1.08 firmware is only for Vanquish 1.0 and 1.5 which is why the firmware version starts with a 1.

Vanquish 2015 software should start with a 2. You are using the wrong firmware. Your 2015 Vanquish did come with v204 from the factory. That is the most up to date. You should not use v108 on a 2015 Vanquish. The pop up that the program give you is just to make sure you check the version. You don't necessarily need to update it.


Sorry if this was unclear on the website. We will add notes on there ASAP to make it more clear.
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Thanks for the Info,
Ive just checked, and noticed that 2.04 is now also avaiable. That was fast and good Support. Thanks
Will update to 2.04 again

Btw since ive downdated to 1.08, the Software doesnt remind me of checking for a new Version. This also gave me the Impression its the right one.

Still the question remains, is the recommended ABS Dwell of 18 really correct for Vanquish 2 in low temperature conditions ?
I still have the Impression this caused my Problems.
And just to prevent confusion - Vanquish 2 Manual states ABS Dwell Standard Value 3 MS (and between 1...10ms).
Factory Reset Value of 2.04 Software is 15.

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If you are having problems, this original post says up it to 20ms or more. And decrease ABS Wait Time to 30s.
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Thanks for the Info,
Ive just checked, and noticed that 2.04 is now also avaiable. That was fast and good Support. Thanks
Will update to 2.04 again

Btw since ive downdated to 1.08, the Software doesnt remind me of checking for a new Version. This also gave me the Impression its the right one.

Still the question remains, is the recommended ABS Dwell of 18 really correct for Vanquish 2 in low temperature conditions ?
I still have the Impression this caused my Problems.
And just to prevent confusion - Vanquish 2 Manual states ABS Dwell Standard Value 3 MS (and between 1...10ms).
Factory Reset Value of 2.04 Software is 15.

As for the popup on the Vanquish USB tool, thats just a bug for when we went to the 2015 Vanquish. still in the process of updating the Desktop Application. V204 is latest for 2015 Vanquish. V108 is latest for original Vanquish. '

Thanks for pointing out the typo in the manual. The default ABS Dwell should be 15ms. We release software quickly to keep our users at the top of their game and sometimes the manual takes a little longer.
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If you have bolt stick I would recommend monkey poo. Ensure that you use a thin layer on everything. If you over lube it, you will get bolt stick. Especially if there is too much lube in the can where the bolt sail oring seals.

EDITED. See the next post by an Empire tech.
Another thing to keep in mind is that trying to fire without a ball in the breech is MUCH more likely to result in FSDO. The way the detents are requires the roundness of a ball to push them aside. If you're trying to dry fire, the bolt rams into them and usually prevents it from fully cycling. I would not recommend dry firing a vanquish at all, because it will chew up your bolt tip over time.
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If you have bolt stick I would recommend monkey poo. Ensure that you use a thin layer on everything. If you over lube it, you will get bolt stick. Especially if there is too much lube in the can where the bolt sail oring seals.

Another thing to keep in mind is that trying to fire without a ball in the breech is MUCH more likely to result in FSDO. The way the detents are requires the roundness of a ball to push them aside. If you're trying to dry fire, the bolt rams into them and usually prevents it from fully cycling. I would not recommend dry firing a vanquish at all, because it will chew up your bolt tip over time.

Good Post but I wanted to correct a couple things.

It IS OK to dry fire the Vanquish. As with any paintball marker it will cause wear to your marker any time you cycle it but for the Vanquish you will not cause any additional wear or damage to the marker when dry firing verses firing a paintball.

Also we have not seen issues where the detents will prevent the bolt from fully cycling when dry firing. If you are having this issues you should clean and inspect the detents and breech area to ensure your detents are moving freely. Under normal conditions the detents should never prevent the bolt from moving.
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