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Old 01-21-2004, 10:26 AM #85
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So what's that tell us? BUY GOVERNMENT BONDS! They need the money so the rates may be high, I haven't checked.
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oh well i only clicked the first one. haha oh well
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The Economy is doing awesome, last month the unemployment rate didn't even go up* at all!!!


* Because 300,000 people gave up and stopped looking for jobs and therefore aren't counted as unemployed anymore

But hey, at least the dollar is going strong and the Iraq business is going splendidly, I see re-election in Mr Bush's future.
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why cant someone just shoot him? what, assasination isnt "hip" anymore? ive been sayin this for months. its been done before, it can be done again.
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I was actually wondering that too. I mean, if any president has managed to piss off the entire known universe, it'd have to be Bush. I mean really, you'd figure at least one of the 6 billion people in the world who think he's an arse would have access to a rifle and the desire to use it...
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Well, it's not an overnight things and it can't be done in 6 months so just shut the **** up and let him do what he wants as president because you're the *****es who think their vote won't make a difference. You ****ers know nothing about politics with exception of a small number of you. You hear what your mommy tells you and you assume its right because she is a liberal *****.

yes, that's why we're a democracy. So we can just shut up and let our president do whatever he feels like doing and ignore the issues in our country
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Representative Democracy... we let them do the talking so ultimately we can get screwed over... live with it. Nothings ever perfect.
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I'm not certain, but I don't think that's the attitude the founding fathers had.
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Might not have been, but its my attitude.

*EDIT* is this the right attitude?
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So because its your political attitude, we should all conform to it?
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No one said you shoud... you're taking this the wrong way. All I'm saying is people can't say he has failed after 6 months. You can have your own political attitude towards to governemnt.
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after 6 months? My husband was there well over a year ago. The man's had well over 6 months to leave his mark on their independence.
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Man you people get worked over by the smallest things. First of the economy and the national debt are 2 completly different things. so stop trying to compare the 2. second it is going too be a long time before any form of gov. sets hold in iraq due to the fact of "huge" differences between the sunnis (sp?) and shiites. although the difference is small when looking at it from america its obviosly huge over there. and the fact the middle easthern muslims basicly hate our guts because there are "non-believers" on there land.

also the clapping during the state of the union is tradition. not because they are yes men.
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I was actually wondering that too. I mean, if any president has managed to piss off the entire known universe, it'd have to be Bush. I mean really, you'd figure at least one of the 6 billion people in the world who think he's an arse would have access to a rifle and the desire to use it...
Because most of the idiots opposed to him are pro-guntrol(AKA gun-fearing wussies) and wouldn't know how to operate one if their life depended on it.

Secondly, and this isn't pointed at elTwitcho... it's just a general statement- when was the last time the national debt affected anybody on these boards in the least? I don't remember hearing anyone say, "Oops, sorry guys, I'm late for helping pay off the national debt! I'll be back later!!"

The national debt is just that... our nation's debt to ourselves and other countries. Face it- it's never gonna be paid off, at least not in our lifetimes, so why worry about it?

Third, the economy is doing fairly well considering the circumstances. Yes, it's still pretty difficult to find jobs for some, but it'll get better... it's not like they'll be jobless for eternity

Fourth, to reiterate... the constant clapping is merely tradition during the State of the Union address, to show support for each statement and back one's political party... as you may very well have noticed, the democratic side of Congress wasn't as enthusiastic. That doesn't even necessarily mean some democrats don't agree with what the President is saying(although it was obvious that fat-arse Ed Kennedy didn't), they just normally choose to remain publicly loyal to their political party.

Fifth, a few people mentioned the various proposals to Congress to spend money on, for instance, the ex-prisoners fund and commented that it was such a large amount of money, etc...

In reply, the amount he proposed was fairly small in comparison to the budget they have to work with. While a few million or even a few billion dollars seems like an outrageous amount for the various proposed plans, consider this(as seen on AOL):the simple fact that Americans are getting fat supposedly costs the U.S. 75 BILLION dollars. Does that affect you at all? Not really. So don't freak out when they propose seemingly lavish proposals for different interests.

I'd also like to add that I believe the ex-prisoner proposal to be a very good one. As Bush stated last night, around 600,000 inmates will be released this year, and when inmates are released into society they feel very unsafe and uncomfortable being thrust out into the real world again, and much like a scared teenager, will do anything to be able to come home to the safety of mommy and daddy again. In other words, if former inmates don't find jobs or a place to fit in soon after their release, they are much more likely to commit more crimes just to be sent back to prison where they feel much safer.

An argument I've heard against this is, "Why do we need a program to rehabilitate ex-prisoners when prison was supposed to be their rehab? If it didn't work, why can't we just keep em in longer?" Like I said, the program isn't about rehab and neither is their commission of a crime upon being released from prison. It's not that they didn't learn their lesson or couldn't help it- it's that they're scared and unaccustomed to the real world and will resort to crime to put them back in a place where they feel secure again.

All in all, I'm all for President Bush, despite some mistakes he may have made. Why? Because his agenda and moral standards are good. He stands for abstinence, pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-faith, pro-sanctity of marriage, and pro-freedom, among a multitude of other things, which is far more than can be said about any Democratic candidates, many of which forfeited their values to the Democratic party.
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Not at all. People have been eating up any and all BS he's fed to them regardless of it's relation to reality. The entire United States could be engulfed in a fireball of entirely his own causing and he could get on CNN, say ; "My fellow Americans, everything is going great, seriously. And don't forget about the war on terror" and people would run to the polls going "OH MY GOD HURRY AND RE-ELECT HIM SO HE CAN KEEP DOING GOOD!!!!". He's getting re-elected without a doubt.
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