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Old 05-16-2013, 08:57 PM #1
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Inception Designs "Pico" 100 round force feed body shell system

Hello everyone!

The first thing I am doing with my new start up company, Inception Designs, is giving something to the community that people have wanted for a long time. Yes giving.

I am providing the files, as open source, on my website, a link can be found on www.inceptiondesigns.com which will take you to the area of my forums where you can download the files to rapid prototype the body shells, battery door and rip drive knob.

It's the ability to have a 100 round force feed hopper.

I am asking that you download them from my site so we can get a genuine interest in the concept (of open source and small force feed loaders) and that if you make them you leave my logo on the sides

If the community really does want this and the response is good then maybe we will go further in the future to make it a kick starter project and have production units made.

Until then, and so this isn't put away and held on the back burner I am giving the files out so that anyone can make them for themselves. I will have prototypes with me at Living Legends 6 this weekend for everyone to check out.

Here's the video explaining what I am doing....



Here's the link to my forums where the files are...

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Old 05-16-2013, 08:57 PM #2
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And here are pictures of how the shells look...





They take the standard guts from any Halo or Empire B type loader, including Invert Halo Too and the Empire Scion. They take standard lids and speed feeds also

Quick change battery door as standard.

You can set them up with and without the clutch system from a magna, with a direct drive from the Scion or a spring loaded drive from a Halo or Empire B.

The beauty of using a spring loaded system is that you can feed 15-20 balls (depending on your gun) just by winding up the rip drive knob. You don't need batteries!

Here's a video comparing the Shell system with other more familiar body shells.


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And here are pictures of how the shells look...

They take the standard guts from any Halo or Empire B type loader, including Invert Halo Too and the Empire Scion. They take standard lids and speed feeds also

Quick change battery door as standard.

You can set them up with and without the clutch system from a magna, with a direct drive from the Scion or a spring loaded drive from a Halo or Empire B.

The beauty of using a spring loaded system is that you can feed 15-20 balls (depending on your gun) just by winding up the rip drive knob. You don't need batteries!
This is amazing!
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if it's super light weight, then that's what matters. otherwise i'll keep using my sport shot 100 rnd w/ and exalt feed.

ugly as sin, but if it's light weight...it's a winner.

sure looks tall too.
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if it's super light weight, then that's what matters. otherwise i'll keep using my sport shot 100 rnd w/ and exalt feed.

ugly as sin, but if it's light weight...it's a winner.

sure looks tall too.
Agreed on the tall ness
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It's taller than I would have liked but that's mainly because it is using the standard catch cup right out of a Halo B. That dictates the height. The top of it is however much lower than a normal Halo B would be. I relocated the boards to under the catch cup and reduced the size down as far as possible so it holds 100 paintballs.
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Here's a picture inside the shell



You can see the top area that holds the balls is about 1/3 of the space and then the bottom area that takes the drive system, board and battery takes 2/3 of the space!

The only way to make it lower would be to make it all new and then the cost of the tooling makes the project 5 times as expensive and even less likely to make the investment back in a niche market.

I'd love to have done it that way, but I can't afford to take that much of a risk with the capital I have.

I wanted a small force feed that everyone could get and so designed up the most effective way I could to make it happen for everyone. When I did the calculations to put this into production it seemed far riskier than other projects I am working on.

With most companies, and certainly most large ones, that would have meant this would never have seen the light of day. It would have been put away and forgotten about.

I decided to do something different, and since it was too risky to put this project before others I am working on, I decided to give the files away and see what the community does with it.

I'd love to build an open source community that makes and can be rewarded for doing cool stuff like this and that fills niche product needs. Maybe doing this is a way to kick that kind of thing into existence. If we achieve that it would be a pretty awesome day I think.

Now I am soo tired, it's been a long week, and I am off to Living Legends 6 tomorrow. I hope to see many of you there!

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Simon, these meant to be printed?
That's the plan. I used SLS and there may need to be tweaks made to get the best results for printing, but none of that should be too hard now that we are this far
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sweet. I haven't downloaded the files, but what's the overall dimensions?

I wanna see if I can sway the guys 'owning' the school's printer to do this for me.. and if it'll fit. lol.
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this is awesome. I don't play pump but would still use this hopper.
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That's the plan. I used SLS and there may need to be tweaks made to get the best results for printing, but none of that should be too hard now that we are this far
Will have to make some of these for sure.
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This looks really cool. I love the idea of open source projects.
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Simon..Love the idea....you are right on target that pump players could use a force feed hopper. BBBUUUTTTT......LOL..always the BUT....I think this product misses the mark. If pump players wanted to use tall big target hoppers, we'd just stick with our Rotors, etc. because for the same profile, 160 rounds is better than 100 rounds just to chop off the nose of the shell. This is why the winchester 50 round hoppers are so popular. As a 20 year+ pump player I'll throw in my 2 cents....

1) The force feed concept for pump players is desired not for pure shot speed like a HALO, ROTOR, SPIRE, etc is for a mechanical semi or electro marker. The real desire is for a CONSISTENT feed to always have a shot. Nothing sucks more than having to shake and bake to get a round to drop...or worse, NOT have a paintball chamber and shoot blanks. This may allow for a less sophisticated mechanism that could yield a much smaller hopper. Heck, the rip drive mechanism alone on a winchester sized hopper could be wonderful!

2) Lower frontal profile (i.e. not tall) is far more desireable than a taller hopper. Maybe cutting the height of the shell but leaving its length would provide a better solution. Maybe something where 2/3 of the top of the shell is a speed feed with teeth so that rather than dumping a 50 round pod in hole which requires height to disperse the balls, an oblong "dump track" would disburse the paintballs by moving the pod along the larger opening.

3) Lower feed neck heights. With a smaller lower profile hopper shell, less feedneck is need to secure hopper to marker as there is less torque and torsion to cause it to fling off, I think a unique innovation would be a form of RECESSED feedneck in which the non-paintball space of the shell, motor, batteries, etc. could be under the nose of the hopper or directly behind the feedneck, maybe sorta incorporating the marker feedneck INTO the shell rather that plopped on top of it as all hoppers currently are.

4) A power source that is much smaller than 9v or AA batteries. Since feed speed is not near the 30 bps of a Rotor/Spire/Prophecy etc...maybe something using a single AAA or even some of the Lithium camera batteries would save weight and make a tiny package.

5) Not a hopper suggestion, ...BUT....how about a barrel kit or barrel backs usable with other barrel tips..that has a clear window in the breech? As most all pump markers are closed bolt, its always a PITA when you have a ball chambered, run and slide somewhere and puff air at people because your ball rolled out and you didn't know. If you had a window in the breech of the barrel back, om most markers you could see the ball in there and know you have one in the pipe...just a thought.
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Simon..Love the idea....you are right on target that pump players could use a force feed hopper. BBBUUUTTTT......LOL..always the BUT....I think this product misses the mark. If pump players wanted to use tall big target hoppers, we'd just stick with our Rotors, etc. because for the same profile, 160 rounds is better than 100 rounds just to chop off the nose of the shell. This is why the winchester 50 round hoppers are so popular. As a 20 year+ pump player I'll throw in my 2 cents....

1) The force feed concept for pump players is desired not for pure shot speed like a HALO, ROTOR, SPIRE, etc is for a mechanical semi or electro marker. The real desire is for a CONSISTENT feed to always have a shot. Nothing sucks more than having to shake and bake to get a round to drop...or worse, NOT have a paintball chamber and shoot blanks. This may allow for a less sophisticated mechanism that could yield a much smaller hopper. Heck, the rip drive mechanism alone on a winchester sized hopper could be wonderful!

2) Lower frontal profile (i.e. not tall) is far more desireable than a taller hopper. Maybe cutting the height of the shell but leaving its length would provide a better solution. Maybe something where 2/3 of the top of the shell is a speed feed with teeth so that rather than dumping a 50 round pod in hole which requires height to disperse the balls, an oblong "dump track" would disburse the paintballs by moving the pod along the larger opening.

3) Lower feed neck heights. With a smaller lower profile hopper shell, less feedneck is need to secure hopper to marker as there is less torque and torsion to cause it to fling off, I think a unique innovation would be a form of RECESSED feedneck in which the non-paintball space of the shell, motor, batteries, etc. could be under the nose of the hopper or directly behind the feedneck.

4) A power source that is much smaller than 9v or AA batteries. Since feed speed is not near the 30 bps of a Rotor/Spire/Prophecy etc...maybe something using a single AAA or even some of the Lithium camera batteries would save weight and make a tiny package.
All of this is possible. If you want to outlay $200,000-$250,000 in tooling and pay $170 a unit. If you want to fund that, I will make it happen.

The trouble is finding a solution for a niche market like pump play where people want something small and specialized but also want it for the same price as a sport shot. That's why it simply hasn't ever happened.

This was the closest I could get for the lowest outlay. It may not be the final solution but it may be a step in the right direction.

You are not going to get an agitated or force feed loader the same size as a winchester hopper or even close to it. The drive, board and batteries end up taking more space than the paintballs do

BTW, I've been playing pump for 21 years now
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