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Old 04-29-2013, 04:06 AM #1
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Re: Ego LV1 Set-Up Guide

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As you should all be aware LV1's have now started to ship. We have already started to receive some feedback on them, most of which has been overwhelmingly positive.

However there a couple of areas that we feel it is worth bringing to your attention now so that we can hopefully pre-empt a repeat of some minor mistakes that we have seen made already:

1) We are highly recommending that the LV1 is NOT dry fired. That means no firing of the gun with just air if it can be avoided. The dynamics of the LV1 mean that the bolt and rammer rely heavily on the back pressure caused by the ball being fired down the barrel to reset the bolt and rammer to the rear position. Dry firing will lead to damage of the rammer bumper and potentially the rammer and body of the gun.

2) Because of the nature of the new dynamics and the increased range of adjustability of the LV1, it is far easier to upset the balance of the gun and take it out of its optimized window. This can lead to reduced efficiency, and increased wear and tear on the rammer bumper. Pay particular attention to the LPR settings and the dwell settings. We have produced a basic "LV1 Tuning Guide" (in second post of this thread) that should help any techs and players that are unsure of the best way

3) All the factory settings that we specify for the LV1 are based on our experiences in Winter! Based on initial reports it looks like both Dwell and LPR setting can be reduced straight out of the box when running in warmer climates. This will give improvements in efficiency and feel as well as longevity of components to those playing in warmer climates. There should be no negative effect to making changes to these straight out of the box.

4) The LV1 does not "feel" like any other Ego when it is being fired. Without firing paint over the chrono, do NOT try to set these guns up by "feel" alone. We have heard several reports of people picking up the gun, dry firing or even firing paint, and "feeling" like the gun was shooting low. They have then "tuned" the gun by feel and hearing to what they think sounds "right" and then shot the gun. In all cases that we have heard of this the guns have been returned to us shooting in excess of 350fps! Not only is this dangerous, but it is putting excess stress on the internals of the gun. Please be aware, this gun does not "feel" like any other gun when it is shooting paint or dry firing. Always confirm any adjustments by using a chronograph.

Apart from that, we would be very interested to hear your thoughts and experiences with the new LV1. PLEASE contact us if you see or hear of anything that you are unsure of or may be causing you concern.

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Old 04-29-2013, 04:06 AM #2
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LV1 Tuning Guide

The Ego LV1 has a MUCH larger range of adjustment than any previous Ego. As such it is relatively easy to upset the balance of the LV1 and take it out of its optimum performance window. In particular, this can have a notable effect on efficiency.

Below is a detailed guide on how we would advise users to set up their LV1’s to begin to realise the performance benefits of their new marker:

Prior to test:
1) Adjust the REAR Solenoid Flow Restrictor on the solenoid assembly to a level of 7 or more as this has been proven to improve efficiency compared to the stock settings.
2) Reset the LPR, HPR and Dwell to Factory recommended settings as found in the Manual.
3) Make sure the tank is full or has at least 2500psi in it.
4) Make sure the paint isn't too small in the barrel or shooting very inconsistently. Check paint in other guns if the readings are bad over the chrono.
5) Make sure the bolt is very smooth in the breech. There should be virtually no friction between the bolt and body of the gun. Oil or change the 14x2 o-rings on the bolt if necessary.

Tuning the Dwell:
1) Set everything to Factory setting; Dwell to 16.8ms and the LPR adjuster screw to one turn out from fully in.
2) Take your marker, paint, barrel and tank that you are using to the chrono.
3) Chrono the gun to 280-290fps using the Inline Regulator as primary means of adjustment
4) Once at 280-290fps go to Dwell Setting mode.
5) Fire 3-4 shots over the chrono, then lower the dwell by 0.5ms and then fire 3-4 more shots.
6) If the velocity remains in the 280-290fps region, repeat step 5).
7) Keep repeating steps 5) and 6) until you see the velocity drop from the 280-290fps region that the gun was chronographing at to start with.
8) Once the velocity has started to drop STOP lowering the Dwell and now INCREASE the dwell by 0.5ms.
9) Fire several shots over the chrono to ensure that the velocity is consistently back in the 280-290fps region.
10) The Dwell setting is now tuned for that marker setup.

Tuning the LPR:
1) After tuning the Dwell it is worth checking to see if the LPR can be reduced further. The principle is as above, but using the LPR adjustment.
2) Fire the gun over the chrono and then turn the LPR adjuster in/clockwise (LPR pressure down) 1/8th of a turn.
3) Chronograph the gun again and check the velocity and consistency.
4) If the velocity is unchanged, reduce the LPR setting a little further.
5) Repeat steps 2-4 until the velocity starts to drop, then increase the LPR pressure back UP 1/8ths of a turn.
6) Fire a few shots to make sure everything is stable.

After a full set-up such as this the gun will need to be kept clean and correctly lubed, paying particular attention to the bolt and keeping that smooth. It should also be noted that further adjustments may be required if there is a significant change in the weather or paint being used.

Video of all of the above:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32teL...ature=youtu.be
(filmed and produced by Hustle Paintball)
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:46 AM #3
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1) We are highly recommending that the LV1 is NOT dry fired. That means no firing of the gun with just air if it can be avoided. The dynamics of the LV1 mean that the bolt and rammer rely heavily on the back pressure caused by the ball being fired down the barrel to reset the bolt and rammer to the rear position. Dry firing will lead to damage of the rammer bumper and potentially the rammer and body of the gun.
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Cheers Nicky - just posted it on Talkpaintball - I know there are quite a few chaps who have pre-ordered the LV1 there (inc Andy Sables)
I'll also help anyone at games who is a bit unsure on how to set them up.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:47 AM #5
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Cheers Nicky - just posted it on Talkpaintball - I know there are quite a few chaps who have pre-ordered the LV1 there (inc Andy Sables)
I'll also help anyone at games who is a bit unsure on how to set them up.
Thank you; much appreciated

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Old 04-29-2013, 10:23 AM #6
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Thanks for taking the time to post this Nicky. It is greatly appreciated by everyone
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:39 AM #8
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Thanks for taking the time to post this Nicky. It is greatly appreciated by everyone
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What is the Dwell/LPR tuning procedure for older Egos (05, 06, etc)?
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Woda, you'll do the same thing as posted here. However the LPR on older Ego's doesn't have as large of a range or pressures but you can use this same method.
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I probably still won't do it, but would dry firing with a swab partially down the barrel potentially provide enough backforce on the bolt?
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I probably still won't do it, but would dry firing with a swab partially down the barrel potentially provide enough backforce on the bolt?
I don't think I would dry fire a gun like this... Especially since they said not to I wouldn't do it with anything down the barrel hate to see something go wrong
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I'll share this on Eclipse-owners.net as well.
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I probably still won't do it, but would dry firing with a swab partially down the barrel potentially provide enough backforce on the bolt?
Not ideal, but why not get a handful of reballs in for testing?
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Funny. This dry fire problem was also encountered with the impulse a decade ago, prior to the addition of the Tapeworm or LPR.

Interesting to see your new design swing back around to this problem 12 years later!
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Funny. This dry fire problem was also encountered with the impulse a decade ago, prior to the addition of the Tapeworm or LPR.

Interesting to see your new design swing back around to this problem 12 years later!
In all fairness, Bob Long markers you cannot dry fire as it shoots out the pillow bolt tip..
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I have edited the second post to include a link to this video by Hustle Paintball of the LV1 Tuning Guide that describes the process in detail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32teL...ature=youtu.be

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In all fairness, Bob Long markers you cannot dry fire as it shoots out the pillow bolt tip..
Provided it has a pillow bolt

It's not a bad thing... just struck me as interesting. That's all.

If you're going to push to the extremes on any design, you'll encounter little things like this.

If you we're going to go with a Bob Long example, I'd have used the full range of pressure adjustments causing more trouble than good in most cases..

Or the need to really underbore to get proper velocity with a Victory...

But sure.. you can go the pillow route.. cuz that totally renders the gun inoperable
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or just keep it at stock settings and never have a problem because its planet eclipse!
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