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Old 03-19-2013, 09:20 AM #22
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So... you've shot the Impulse then? Literally everything here is based on conjecture. Maybe it will suck, maybe it will be amazing. At this point the beta testers and XSV are basically the only players that have any idea.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:27 AM #23
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That solenoid issue never forced a "revision" in the version of the minis though. I am sure that was a quality issue, not a design issue. All said, this wasn't started from ground zero like the mini (which zds shows even the mini had a predecessor the king cobra). The impulse should just be a new evolution of the SP impulse design with improvements in the valve. The mini poppet is balanced of sorts so I really think it's not that fetch technology wise. I think the JT impulse will work fine, but may not necessarily sell well.
I think it will quickly evolve to give the ego a run for its money and we get to watch and benifit from Kee and Eclipse having an "arms race," however, I am reserved in calling this brand new gun better than the LV1.

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So... you've shot the Impulse then? Literally everything here is based on conjecture. Maybe it will suck, maybe it will be amazing. At this point the beta testers and XSV are basically the only players that have any idea.
You'll notice at no point in time did I ever say how either gun shot. I don't know, if I did know I would say so, however, I unlike some members of pbn I don't pretend to know things I don't. I said earlier, I am a cynic, I view an item as unimpressive until something it does impresses me.
I haven't claimed to know how the valve will work on the impulse, only that balanced valves haven't worked before, and judging by the video empire isn't marketing it based on tech anyway.

Maybe it does shoot better, I don't know and don't pretend to know, however, right now the LV1 seems to be more technologically advanced than the impulse.
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:41 PM #24
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I think it will quickly evolve to give the ego a run for its money and we get to watch and benifit from Kee and Eclipse having an "arms race," however, I am reserved in calling this brand new gun better than the LV1.



You'll notice at no point in time did I ever say how either gun shot. I don't know, if I did know I would say so, however, I unlike some members of pbn I don't pretend to know things I don't. I said earlier, I am a cynic, I view an item as unimpressive until something it does impresses me.
I haven't claimed to know how the valve will work on the impulse, only that balanced valves haven't worked before, and judging by the video empire isn't marketing it based on tech anyway.

Maybe it does shoot better, I don't know and don't pretend to know, however, right now the LV1 seems to be more technologically advanced than the impulse.
Fair points, Im excited to shoot the LV1 and see how much of an improvement it is.
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:36 PM #25
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LV1 is a far better gun by the impulsle.

The LV1 is hands down most advanced paintball gun produced thus far.


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I think it will quickly evolve to give the ego a run for its money and we get to watch and benifit from Kee and Eclipse having an "arms race," however, I am reserved in calling this brand new gun better than the LV1.

Maybe it does shoot better, I don't know and don't pretend to know, however, right now the LV1 seems to be more technologically advanced than the impulse.
You call the brand new gun "far better" than the other brand new gun... The LV1 has more to prove. I see nothing that suggest it is far better than even other egos, let alone guns that really are far better than previous generation egos.

Again, how are you defining advanced? I don't really see the lever as being all that advanced and the seat to seat times are somewhat arbitrary anyway. I see balanced (and decreasing force) poppets as more technically advanced. My rationale is that the spring and lever is still mechanically biased whereas the balanced system is pressure stabilized. If the impulse can achieve a reliable seal while still allowing minimal opening force then it still has more potential. The inertial transfer through the lever just controls the effect uni-directionally unless the rammer itself is biased. Not to get to enginerdish but both have interesting design features and I don't really see the LV1 as "advanced" as maybe some other people seem to.
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I would like to know how much Simon was involved with the impulse, and get a look at the manual/ valve. We could say with a high degree of confidence how fixed or unfixed the balance valve is then. The style of valve they used is difficult to fix.
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I would like to know how much Simon was involved with the impulse, and get a look at the manual/ valve. We could say with a high degree of confidence how fixed or unfixed the balance valve is then. The style of valve they used is difficult to fix.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:20 PM #28
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I would like to know how much Simon was involved with the impulse, and get a look at the manual/ valve. We could say with a high degree of confidence how fixed or unfixed the balance valve is then. The style of valve they used is difficult to fix.
I've been wondering why they showed so much about the Vanquish while the Impulse was just... there. Wanted to keep it from stealing the Vanquish's thunder I guess.

Hopefully there'll be a full reveal and breakdown from Kee soon.
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I've been wondering why they showed so much about the Vanquish while the Impulse was just... there. Wanted to keep it from stealing the Vanquish's thunder I guess.

Hopefully there'll be a full reveal and breakdown from Kee soon.
yea i think thats true vanquish has shooting vids and effiency and breakdown and impulse nothing and resurection nothing no shotinf or effiency or breakdown
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:20 PM #30
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So... you've shot the Impulse then? Literally everything here is based on conjecture. Maybe it will suck, maybe it will be amazing. At this point the beta testers and XSV are basically the only players that have any idea.
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BTW Eugene stoner sold the design to colt because the united stated government couldn't afford To buy his design. The first design was also piston driven and not gas inpingement as well. Also the first design was in 7.62, stoner didnt believe in the smaller caliber that's the reason why armlite still makes the ar10. The navy seals used the original stoner design for years with no flaws in Vietnam. So until colt got ahold and made the first gen m16 there were no issues. Just like the whole not having to clean it ing rumor as well.
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LV1 hands down. Impulse not in the same league.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:49 PM #33
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LV1 hands down. Impulse not in the same league.
As much as I am expecting this to be true at this point, nobody really knows this at all.
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I really want JT's gun to be a success. They've been of the biggest, if not THE biggest icon(s) in the paintball community. That being said, the marketing of this product is possibly the biggest challenge. Under the Empire shadow, they can't compete with an established midrange reputation of the Axe, and they can't boast exotic Lamborghini superiority with the Vanquish coming out at the same time. The best time to release this gun would've been at 2012 World Cup. Extraviganza was all about the LV1 and Vanquish-- and JT is now the underdog
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:24 PM #35
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Also, might I point out what everyone already know--- the marker only does so much for how well you play.
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I know the LV1 is the first Ego since the XSV SL66 to have sparked my interest as something with massive amounts of potential, if not from a performance perspective as much as a solid and convenient one. Looks like you can tech it mid-game at this point and the lever over direct contact with the valve stem means that a lot of the force from the ram will be partially diffused, which leads to things like a smoother shot and the ability to time the valve for efficiency while having the gun feel as smooth as it is cracked out to be (I've seen some recoil test vids and I can't doubt that, without me shooting it, it's smoother than most predecessors.).


The Impulse, if it's using SP's design to any extent, could also be a magnanimous marker that even though it's not as "streamlined", can still **** on the LV1 performancewise.

****, I've made a shocker pound on luxes performancewise before. Yeah, it's less convenient and a bit more finicky with a frame that always feels somewhat awkward, but you try to get a case off a stock luxe (yes, I realize that I spent over 2 years and $400 making it what it is and that isn't totally fair on the Luxe, but considering I spent msrp, I'd have only spent $800 making a gun better than something that with tax is double that.).


Either way, it's a personal preference thing at this point.
Markers have come to the point where everything high end is ****ing good. Period.
Only decision to make would be of ergonomics and convenience.


PS. I bet you could squeeze more shots from the impulse.
****, I hope you could.
That and I hope I can fit a BL 360 on there because the HPR that comes stock looks really uncomfortable and unsightly.
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BTW Eugene stoner sold the design to colt because the united stated government couldn't afford To buy his design. The first design was also piston driven and not gas inpingement as well. Also the first design was in 7.62, stoner didnt believe in the smaller caliber that's the reason why armlite still makes the ar10. The navy seals used the original stoner design for years with no flaws in Vietnam. So until colt got ahold and made the first gen m16 there were no issues. Just like the whole not having to clean it ing rumor as well.
Nah, the stoner had heeeella jamming issues, but I believe it was due to how "low force" a lot of the reciprocating parts were in hopes of mitigating recoil and when they were given to troops which would occasionally have them fall in mud/dirt, chunks would get in and anything more than what it was made for would jam it.

But yeah, Colt sucks. Hate em.
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As much as I am expecting this to be true at this point, nobody really knows this at all.
True I have not shot the Impulse, but I held one at PSP Dallas. I wouldn't compare it to the Ego11 let alone the LV1.
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Old 09-07-2013, 04:18 PM #39
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Old 06-18-2014, 08:34 AM #40
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With both of the markers being out for a while, is the Impulse comparable to the LV1 or is it closer to the EGO 11? Sorry to raise a dead topic, but I am about to buy a poppit gun and am wondering if the extra cash is worth it.
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Performance-wise, the LV1 lever breaks under dry-fire. How is that superior to anything?

For those of you who doubt Kee's model of the balanced valve: yes, he did a very good job. Sorry all the Bob Long fanboys here think he's a superior engineer to Kee (maybe he is) but Kee did a fantastic job on the balanced valve.

The external components and accessories for the Impulse are - dare I say supergun worthy - though definitely not as nice as the LV1's (which is a given)

Shot-wise, they're both argumentatively the softest-shooting poppets on the market (not sure if you can really call the LV1 a true poppet anymore with the lever mod). SO! in that aspect, they are very comparable.

The Impulse is more efficient than the LV1 - both out of the box and broken in.

The Quality and technical advancements within the LV1 are fantastic, but it's also 400 dollars more than the Impulse.


And - with consideration that ergonomics are mostly preference-based, - the Impulse has more ergonomic prowess with a slimmer contoured grip frame that is very similar to Dye ultralite frames. Everyone's different; however, in holding both, the LV1 falls short. in fact, there aren't too many guns out there that feel as nice in the hands as the impulse does - to me, that is.

The Impulse is a steel for the price. Can't say the same for the LV1. So it really matters what's important to the buyer. But I would definitely NOT say that the LV1 is better by far. It has a lot of weak points that the Impulse does not share (and vice versa). I'd almost want to say that strength-to-flaw, they tie.
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