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Old 03-13-2013, 05:58 PM #1
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Pump strokes

So my friend bought an Empire Sniper and I got to play around with it a little and was surprised by how hard the pump stroke was. After, I went to the proshop to hold a new Sniper and see if it wwas just because it was used, but nope, still terrible. I had an Azodin Kaos Pump and it's stroke was better....so now I'm leaning even further towards a CCM T2, but now I have a question.

Does the T2 have a point about half way back on the pump stroke where it nearly hits a brick wall? Or does it pump evenly all the way back? And finally on a scale of 1-10 how easy is the stroke?
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:02 PM #2
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there's a slight break in period with the T2, basically watch 3 episodes of your favorite show and cock the **** out of it. After that you can pump it with one finger. Best pump gun I've ever used.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:02 PM #3
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T2s are smooth all the way down and are pretty much the gold standard in smooth pump stroking. (Actually any CCM pump is pretty much the gold standard in pump strokes).
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:08 PM #4
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Duel rod! Single rod! Duel rod! Single rod!

And the debate goes on!!!
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:54 PM #5
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Duel rod! Single rod! Duel rod! Single rod!

And the debate goes on!!!
Uh, what? Single or dual rod has nothing to do with anything.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:18 PM #6
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Uh, what? Single or dual rod has nothing to do with anything.
It's all about preference, some believe that duel rod give a better stroke with more stability, i honestly see no difference between them though.
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:37 AM #7
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It's all about preference, some believe that duel rod give a better stroke with more stability, i honestly see no difference between them though.
Yeah but no one had even brought that up.
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:31 AM #8
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:42 AM #9
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I too have never noticed a difference between the single rod snipers I've owned and my T2 in terms of pump stroke.

I actually liked my S6 more than my current T2 because it had a .45 frame instead of an 86.
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Old 03-14-2013, 04:28 PM #10
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To the OP: I've never used the Empire sniper, but what you're probably feeling is difference in springing/internals.
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Old 03-14-2013, 05:28 PM #11
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There's an upgrade kit for the empire sniper and it makes the pump stroke smoother.
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:08 PM #12
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So my friend bought an Empire Sniper and I got to play around with it a little and was surprised by how hard the pump stroke was. After, I went to the proshop to hold a new Sniper and see if it wwas just because it was used, but nope, still terrible. I had an Azodin Kaos Pump and it's stroke was better....so now I'm leaning even further towards a CCM T2, but now I have a question.

Does the T2 have a point about half way back on the pump stroke where it nearly hits a brick wall? Or does it pump evenly all the way back? And finally on a scale of 1-10 how easy is the stroke?
I think the brick wall you are talking about is the snipers bolt o rings rubbing along the detent
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:45 PM #13
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Different strokes for different folks. I would shoot an empire sniper if thats all I could afford, for the price its a outstanding pump. Unless your a pump fanatic or have a bunch of cash to blow, a ccm isn't necessary and definitely won't make you play any better then an using an empire sniper....your a fool to think otherwise.
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:46 PM #14
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....nothing against t2s either, I've owned a couple and loved them all.....along with my empire sniper
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:28 AM #15
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Thanks for all the info, and I saw a CCM'd Empire Sniper in BST. Has anyone had experience with these?
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:26 PM #16
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Made a believer out of me. I have a Sniper with the Checkit upgrades/internals and it really does make a big differance.
Take the little bumper out of the pump handle behind the return spring also.
It helps with feeding the auto trigger big time, less short strokes.
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There's an upgrade kit for the empire sniper and it makes the pump stroke smoother.
For the price of a Sniper... it should already be upgraded! Or maybe I'm just a cheap son-of-a...
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For the money, The sniper comes with more upgrades /extras than any other marker on the Market, but theres allways room for improvement or personal preferances.
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Old 03-20-2013, 10:58 AM #19
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Does all of this on this sniper make it a smooth stroke like a CCM. tell me what you think about this and if it ls going to be a major improvement from stock
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:30 PM #20
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I only have experience with the sniper with checkit internals, but I would assume if he knows what he's doing its probably sweet, I mean CCM's stuff is top of the line.
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Or maybe I'm just a cheap son-of-a...
Yeah pretty much that. Snipers are great values as they are but there's a reason CCMs are $200+ more (depending on options, color, etc).
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