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Old 03-07-2013, 04:06 PM #85
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Oh, so you watched a video and now you're an expert, perfect. This is grandstanding at its worst. The entire purpose of not saying "No" to targeted killings is to allow immediate response to a critical citation. Say a guy is driving a box truck of explosives to a civilian center and the only way to stop it is to destroy the truck and its contents. NOPE, he needs a trial first or Obama is a tyrannical scumbag that ignores due process. I don't see any difference between this and a bunch of neck beards crying that Obama won't agree to not commit genocide. It's a pointless gesture by idiots that can't read past the first line. NDAA 2.0



I know stopping terrorist attacks isn't on Rand Paul's mind because he's a moron.
That's not a targeted killing.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:25 PM #86
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U.S. Senators Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Rand Paul (R-KY) today introduced legislation to prohibit drone killings of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil if they do not represent an imminent threat.

“Our Constitution restrains government power,” Cruz said. “The federal government may not use drones to kill U.S. citizens on U.S. soil if they do not represent an imminent threat. The Commander in Chief does, of course, have the power to protect Americans from imminent attack, and nothing in this legislation interferes with that power.”

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The Federal Government may not use a drone to kill a citizen of the United States who is located in the United States. The prohibition under this subsection shall not apply to an individual who poses an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to another individual. Nothing in this section shall be construed to suggest that the Constitution would otherwise allow the killing of a citizen of the United States in the United States without due process of law.
Kind of sad that we now need legislation for this sort of thing.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:46 PM #87
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Ok, I'll admit I don't even know what it is. At first glance it just looked like a way to increase clicks so I ignored it.

Typical ST: P post.


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Old 03-07-2013, 06:02 PM #89
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Typical ST: P post.

"I have no idea what I'm talking about, but goddamn it I'm going to put so much conviction into this post I'll even trick myself into thinking I have the slightest ****ing clue as to whats going on!"
He is partially right. Like this business Facebook page, go to this business page and find X. Etc etc etc.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:41 PM #90
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Kind of sad that we now need legislation for this sort of thing.
Either it will pass or it will play on the character of Obama if it doesn't.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:49 PM #91
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Joe, your observations on ST: P posts is SPOT on.

to prove it, I didn't bother to read all the big word posts between my last post and yours.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:43 PM #92
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That's not a targeted killing.
How often does this occur with our current military that has had these capabilities for decades?

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Kind of sad that we now need legislation for this sort of thing.
Do you honesty think we do? Do you feel there are no laws protecting you from danger if you pose no threat? How on Earth do you function in a social atmosphere?
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:50 PM #93
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"Calm down, Senator," McCain said, in an apostrophe to Paul. "The U.S. government cannot randomly target U.S. citizens."
In his filibuster Wednesday, Paul criticized the White House over its drone policies, and for refusing to rule out military strikes against U.S. citizens on American soil.
McCain, a staunch foreign policy hawk, said Thursday that Paul's warnings that the U.S. could target "Jane Fonda" or "people in cafes" bring the debate into the "realm of the ridiculous."
"If Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids," McCain said, adding: "I don't think what happened yesterday is helpful to the American people."


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Old 03-07-2013, 08:04 PM #94
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:05 PM #95
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Impossible, why else would they want to take our guns.

You don't need drones to kill people on American soil so I'm not sure why people think they'd be used here. The only reason they're used overseas is their ability to loiter, much cheaper and no pilots at risk. You don't need any of that in the US.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:06 PM #96
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says the war hawk
Randal is as much of a supporter of war and foreign drone strikes as the next guy.
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People who think we don't need due process have never been slandered, blackmailed or wrongfully accused. They have also never had important information at any time of their lives that could of put a couple of people in prison.

Suppose a truck of high explosives is entering into a city center. It is blown up by a drone. It is reported on the news that the terrorist attack was averted. Unfortunately, the truck never had high explosives. That wasn't the reason the truck was speeding like a bat out of hell. We will never know because there wasn't any due process; however, the general public is convinced that the drone saved the day. All it takes is a little nudge of disinformation and the problem disappears. Just label anyone who has incriminating information a terrorist, before the true information is spread like a virus. And instead of a call for justice, there is now a parade and an award ceremony.

You know the movie Momento? That whole movie was about moving someone with short term memory to kill a person that wasn't involved in anything the killer wanted revenge for. Change the story around a little, and you can turn a family man into an assassin for whoever you want killed. In this case, it was a rival drug dealer.

But don't look at me, I don't know anything until I see it.

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Old 03-07-2013, 10:59 PM #98
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Why the **** would they use drones to intercept a truck full of explosives in the US?
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Why the **** would they use drones to intercept a truck full of explosives in the US?
That's the kind of speculation I am looking for! Dude, I am laughing so hard now.

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That's the kind of speculation I am looking for!
You'd need to qualify their use prior to your hypothetical.
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Information is more critical than high explosives.
I think your question is more like, "Why would they use drones to kill anything in the US?"

My subject was more like, "Due process is necessary to prosecute the right people. The general public has short term memory and can be easily deceived." I believe Rand Paul was speaking out against the possibility of executive assassination orders on U.S. citizens more than just drone strikes.

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Information is more critical than high explosives.
I think your question is more like, "Why would they use drones to kill anything in the US?"

My subject was more like, "Due process is necessary to prosecute the right people." I believe Rand Paul was speaking out against executive assassination orders on U.S. citizens more than just drone strikes.
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Suppose a truck of high explosives is entering into a city center. It is blown up by a drone.
I'm asking why they would use a drone to blow up anything in the US?

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My subject was more like, "Due process is necessary to prosecute the right people." I believe Rand Paul was speaking out against executive assassination orders on U.S. citizens more than just drone strikes.
I don't know anyone who would disagree with due process being vital.
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That example of a drone blowing up a truck of high explosives in the U.S. was me playing on Alpha Neo's stupid post. It also serves to show a stupid reason for something happening like the way the "world news" bull****s you.

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This thread is rah, rah, rah drones are bad and coming to a city near you. Your scenario assumes that's true but I'm asking why you think that assumption is valid. It's not completely directed at you, but you're the last one to post so you're the one that gets quoted.
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Don't blame me for your bumbling mess you call an argument.
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