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View Poll Results: Worst dictator
Saddam Hussein 1 1.69%
Adolf Hitler 10 16.95%
Joseph Stalin 10 16.95%
Pol Pot 5 8.47%
Barack Obama 30 50.85%
Muammar Gaddafi 0 0%
Mao Zedong 3 5.08%
Robert Mugabe 0 0%
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Old 03-01-2013, 02:26 PM #22
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The original gun ban in germany was meant to get guns out of the hands of Hitlers SA and other violent groups, Hitler was happy to solidify it and use it against his enemies after he gained power.

Obama's goal is complete disarmament, regardless of what his supporters claim.
For the purpose of overthrowing the government?
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Old 03-01-2013, 02:57 PM #23
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:07 PM #24
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For the purpose of overthrowing the government?
He is the government, so he has no need to overthrow himself. If he is attempting to disarm the populace whent he point of a populace being armed is to avoid tyrany, it's easy to draw some conclusions about where his goals lie.
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Bad choice of words. Fundamentally altering the government we have. Why is it if we don't have guns a tyranny will rise? Why must we always go down that logical fallacy?
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Bad choice of words. Fundamentally altering the government we have. Why is it if we don't have guns a tyranny will rise? Why must we always go down that logical fallacy?
How about because that's what happened to every country that became tyrannical? I wasn't aware history was a logical fallacy.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:30 PM #27
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Bad choice of words. Fundamentally altering the government we have. Why is it if we don't have guns a tyranny will rise? Why must we always go down that logical fallacy?
You're altaring what I said.

I said the second amendment was specifically put in place to prevent tyranny. If there is no other logical reason to override it (legal guns aren't a major source of crime or death by any comparative means), then we are left with one explanation as to the motives of known corrupt politiicans attempting to override it.
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Bad choice of words. Fundamentally altering the government we have. Why is it if we don't have guns a tyranny will rise? Why must we always go down that logical fallacy?
I think the idea is that an armed populace makes establishing a tyrannical government signifigantly more difficult, not that disarming the population necessarily results in a tyrannical government...
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I think the idea is that an armed populace makes establishing a tyrannical government signifigantly more difficult
Ding ding, you win a cookie.

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Even if every single drone strike killed nothing but US citzens, we're still only at 4,700. That's 0.0096% of Ze-Dong's lower estimates as the largest genocide on history and the number of Americans is much lower than that. To compare the two is orders of magnitude worth of stupidity that hurts my brain.
That's fine. Why did you vote for Obama then, cause I am the sole Stalin vote.

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Amazing that you're asking me this, and not Martianchurch. Or are you just going to argue with what I list and say? Still haven't seen your list yet.

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Claiming Obama is going to murder millions of people after installing a totalitarian regime after disarming the masses I'd say requires some serious signage.
Except that I never claimed this.

Be sure you and TSA (who recently ran from me) and Treghc ask why they listed FDR. Or is that against the rules around here?
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How about because that's what happened to every country that became tyrannical? I wasn't aware history was a logical fallacy.
No. Your logic is off.

Every tyrannical country has taken guns from the populace =/= every populace without guns is tyrannical.

Guns have been taken from the hands of many countries, yet the vast majority of them are functioning just fine. Your logic is flawed and against evidence, therefore the argument is illogical.
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You are aware you are talking to blake, yes?
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I'm bored. You wouldn't believe how slow it is at work right now. Could use some amusement.
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Your little beef with me is kinda cute. It's like you have a crush on me.

P.S. blake's classic misunderstanding of conditional implications just put the cherry on top.
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I'm bored. You wouldn't believe how slow it is at work right now. Could use some amusement.
Could also use an answer to the question you were asked. Still haven't addressed the person who listed FDR above Hitler I see, nor did F1Venom as of now. And you talk to me about being crazy?

Apparently being crazy is perfectly ok as long as that person fits your personal criteria and doesn't pick on President Obama.

This pack of liberals around here literally do not get it.

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Your little beef with me is kinda cute. It's like you have a crush on me.

P.S. blake's classic misunderstanding of conditional implications just put the cherry on top.
Treghc's inability to see that he holds severe double standards was the cherry on top before that.

You continuing to duck - noted. I was pretty straightforward with the request too, with no bull**** attached.
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:11 PM #36
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You're altaring what I said.

I said the second amendment was specifically put in place to prevent tyranny. If there is no other logical reason to override it (legal guns aren't a major source of crime or death by any comparative means), then we are left with one explanation as to the motives of known corrupt politiicans attempting to override it.
More like you're assuming there's only one means. There are plenty of examples to the contrary, they just don't fit your narrative.

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I think the idea is that an armed populace makes establishing a tyrannical government signifigantly more difficult, not that disarming the population necessarily results in a tyrannical government...
Okay, but why is it always tyranny we're stopping?

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Could also use an answer to the question you were asked. Still haven't addressed the person who listed FDR above Hitler I see, nor did F1Venom as of now. And you talk to me about being crazy?

Apparently being crazy is perfectly ok as long as that person fits your personal criteria and doesn't pick on President Obama.

This pack of liberals around here literally do not get it.



Treghc's inability to see that he holds severe double standards was the cherry on top before that.

You continuing to duck - noted. I was pretty straightforward with the request too, with no bull**** attached.
Wut? You asked how Obama compares to the list. I've stated he doesn't even begin to compare by orders of magnitude. As for making a list, it means I'd be devolving into your charade and taking this premise as legitimate, which I don't. You're being ridiculous and it's not even fun.

Why is FDR on your list?
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I'd say Mao was the worst. He tried to outdo Stalin and Krushchev was just as paranoid if not more than both of them and Hitler combined, and on top of that he indirectly caused China to get wrecked by Japan in World War 2 leading to all of those war atrocities as well. Useless human being - instigated Russia as well which could have also resulted in another world war.
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Okay, but why is it always tyranny we're stopping?
Because that is one of the primary purposes for the amendment, and the one that has direct a relation when the government attempts to disarm the public.
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Okay, but why is it always tyranny we're stopping?
2a is meant to protect the nation from corrupt politicians enacting tyrany. What we have right now is corrupt politicians trying to dismantle the 2a. What does that tell you about their motives?

It's not hard.
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Because that is one of the primary purposes for the amendment, and the one that has direct a relation when the government attempts to disarm the public.
Why is one purpose the defining purpose?
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2a is meant to protect the nation from corrupt politicians. What we have right now is corrupt politicians trying to dismantle the 2a. What does that tell you about their motives?

It's not hard.
Whoa I thought it was tyranny?
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Typo, fixed it.
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