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Old 02-27-2013, 01:23 PM #1
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Official Ego LV1 Specification and Info!!

When Planet Eclipse decided to halt the annual release of its flagship marker, the Ego, many people assumed that is was because Planet felt that there was little that could be done to improve on the existing design; this simply wasn't the case. In 2011 Planet Eclipse decided that rather than spend time making small, incremental changes to its models - in order to conform to the industry annual release model – it would utilize time more productively by making more significant changes, less often.

It has been over two years since the launch of the Ego11 (renamed to the Ego-S in 2012) and that time has been used to dissect the Ego, and poppet-valve markers in general, in order to better understand every aspect of their function; to break down their operation into its component elements so that a new system could be designed, one that overcomes all of the shortfalls of the conventional poppet design while retaining all of its strengths. As a result, the Ego LV1 utilizes technology never before seen in a paintball marker in order to transform the way that it shoots and feels, yet still provide the robustness, hassle-free reliability and ease of maintenance that Egos are renowned for.

Internally the Ego LV1 introduces a revolutionary new design that rewrites what can be achieved with this type of platform. The system incorporates a profiled (cam-shaped) lever between the rammer and the exhaust valve that is used to separate the action of the rammer and bolt from the action of the valve. This additional element in the mechanism has several major benefits over the conventional directly-linked knock-open system, particularly with respect to the force required to open the valve and the rate at which the valve is opened. This indirect operation of the exhaust valve means it can be opened more slowly, with considerably less force, yet retain excellent seal integrity, something that has blighted other low opening force or balanced valve systems.

While existing designs may require a low force to open the exhaust valve they are still bound by the need to overcome blowback using the speed and mass of the bolt which means that the valve has to be opened with a greater speed than is actually required. Often, these designs will also suffer from low closing forces that can drastically affect efficiency. The LV1 suffers none of these drawbacks: the valve can still utilise a large closing force to help create a robust seal and yet, through the mechanical advantage of the lever, it requires significantly less force from the rammer to open it. Also, because the lever has a shaped profile, similar to a cam, the rate at which the valve opens and closes is no longer in a fixed ratio with the movement of the rammer; this allows accurate and independent control of the power pulse of air behind the ball unlike anything previously seen on a marker of this kind.

So what are the benefits to shooting the LV1? Well, the smaller forces generated by the reciprocating components (the bolt and the rammer) due to lower LPR pressure and the smoother profile of the air which is released behind the ball combine to greatly reduced kick and significantly lower the sound signature. The change is so marked that in terms of feel and sound the Ego LV1 is no longer comparable to other poppet-based markers, but instead finds itself competing with the very best spool operated devices. The LV1 has to be seen and shot to fully appreciate the leap forward this system has made to poppet valve markers.

Of course, the lever operated valve is only one of the innovations in the Ego LV1, there are many more improvements throughout the entire marker; front to back; inside and out. For example the exhaust valve itself is a completely new design: from the profile of the "onion bulb" valve to the fully sheathed valve spring, the goal is to provide a path that is as smooth as possible, leading up to and through the valve, in order to reduce turbulence and allow the air to flow and work as efficiently as possible. The exhaust valve and valve guide also incorporate a very large post-release sensing surface area that is tuned to complement the lever mechanism and the forces generated by the reciprocating parts. This works to shut the valve off quickly after each shot so that the excellent efficiency that users expect from a poppet valve marker is retained. The vast increase in valve chamber volume that the LV1 offers over previous Egos further aids this feature and helps lower the overall operating pressure of this marker.

The rammer has also been further developed: gone is the institutionalised 1 inch bolt and rammer stroke found in all other poppet valve markers; this throwback from old off-the-shelf pneumatic components has no place in the modern paintball marker as it limits both intelligent bolt-head design, which can prevent stack clipping and bolt strike fractures, as well as the development of staged acceleration in systems that still have momentum requirements. The LV1 is fitted with a new Zick3 rammer that uses a longer stroke in order to help facilitate both of the above while allowing for the longer valving stroke required by the lever mechanism and, contrary to popular belief, this additional stroke length has negligible effect on cyclic rates, with the LV1 capable of rates of fire well into the 20+bps range. The Zick3 also has a far more pronounced dual force set-up designed to help reduce the initial force on the ball as it is pushed towards the barrel and to offer more cushioning on the return stroke. The LV1 also benefits from the fact that, as standard, it will come complete with two different weights of rammer. The Standard rammer offers the benefit of allowing the LV1 to run at the lowest possible operating pressures. It is perfect for shooting the most fragile paint or when looking for the quietest shot. The Lightweight rammer on the other hand offers exceptional efficiency. A small increase in operating pressure and the associated small increase in sound signature are the only penalties.

The rammer drives a new bolt with a fully rubberised, ramped tip and floating transfer port seals. Combined with the smoother gas release from the valve, the LV1 works to minimize all ball breakages in the marker. The bolt and rammer design minimize instances of stack clipping and ball cracking from the forward motion of the bolt and the profile of the gas power pulse reduces peak pressure behind the ball to help combat fragile paint being blown apart in the barrel. When trying to shoot super-fragile, tournament grade paint every little bit helps get that ball out of the barrel and straight on target.

One of the benefits of the new valve, bolt, lever and rammer design is that the operating pressures of the Ego LV1 are significantly lower than in previous Egos. The low pressure regulator (LPR) operates in the 65-80psi range and the SL4 high pressure regulator (HPR) supplies air to the valve chamber in the range of 120-135psi. Both the LPR and the HPR have been redesigned: the LPR in order to house it inside the body, leaving the area under the barrel clear of any obstructions that might impede grip; and the HPR in order to shorten its overall length such that it blends both aesthetically and ergonomically with the internally mounted LPR. Both regulators are designed to operate within limits that will prevent accidental damage to key components such as the solenoid and the exhaust valve. The SL4 regulator is also capable of operating with tank regulators ranging from SLP-level outputs right up to high pressure (800psi) outputs. It's an incredibly versatile regulator.

Also new for the Ego LV1 is the AT (air transfer) Pipe system. The conventional fittings and macroline hose of previous Ego designs has been removed and the gas is now routed through the frame and across to the HPR via an adjustable pipe. This design keeps the marker body height to an absolute minimum and keeps the trigger hand as close to the barrel axis whilst negating the need for complex and tortured gas paths through the marker body. To ease technical support of the marker the SL4 HPR can either be completely replaced with a standard SL3 HPR or the SL4 swivel can be quickly and easily replaced with the optional hose-style swivel to allow the LV1 to be gassed up with the frame removed. A handy ‘Tech’ Kit is available that includes the SL4 swivel, hose and tank adaptor for those that feel they may need it.

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....Continued....

Ease of repair and maintenance has also been significantly improved in the LV1 by making the majority of the markers key components accessible without the need for tools. The rammer cap no longer requires a hex key to remove, meaning the rammer can be cleaned and lubed without tools. The inline regulator, LPR, valve plug, exhaust valve, and valve guide can all be removed without turning a screw. It really is one of the easiest markers available to strip down and service.

Of course in a game one of the most important aspects of any marker is how it feels in your hands. The Ego LV1 features a raft of changes aimed at making it as comfortable, ergonomic and stable as possible. The grip-frame itself has been strengthened to make it less susceptible to twisting under excessive impact and sports a new set of grips that blend seamlessly into a fully contoured console that gives a continuous rubber grip surface round the back of the frame. And it's not just the frame that has received a new grip; a contoured ergonomic rubber grip sleeves the HPR and runs up the front of the body, the grip surface designed to provide optimal control of the marker at all times. The distance between these two grips has also been increased to give a more stable shooting platform to work from. The trigger is, of course, opto sensor and micro-switch enabled and incorporates both magnetic and leaf spring return mechanisms and attached to the bottom of the frame is a sleek new AT POPS system which has all of the features of the existing POPS, without the macroline.

Inside the grip-frame the Ego LV1 has every electronic feature that you've come to expect from an Eclipse marker: super-fast processor; perfect eye logic; backlit, transflective LCD that's easy to read in even the brightest direct sunlight; E-Portal compatibility for personalised splash screen design, firmware updates and custom profile settings; and compatibility with the rules of all of the major leagues, worldwide.

Of course, the Planet Eclipse experience doesn't stop the moment you take the gun out of the box. From the very beginning, over twenty years ago, the company has prided itself on training and supporting more technicians, in more countries and attending more events, both at the recreational and the tournament level, than probably any other manufacturer. Every Planet Eclipse marker is designed with durability, simplicity and ease of maintenance at the fore and Planet strives to ensure that its customers never require technical support. However, should the need arise then access to that support is available through virtually every form of communication: from email to social media to forums and telephone as well as through technical classes and qualified technicians in as many places as possible to make sure that Planet Eclipse customers always receive a timely response to their queries or problems.

Anyone who has had the opportunity to shoot an Ego LV1 will tell you that there has been no compromise in any way with the performance on offer from this marker. Every aspect of the Ego LV1 has been shaped to create the ultimate expression of Eclipse passion, performance and quality. There has never been such a complete and thorough overhaul of the Ego. No stone left unturned in the pursuit of perfection. It has to be felt to be believed.

Ego LV1. A new chapter in Ego history.
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Ego LV1 Features:

o Unique Lever Valve Mechanism
o Zick3 Rammer System
o Heavy and Light Zick3 Rammer Included
o Cure5 Bolt
o Internal LPR
o SL4 Inline Regulator
o AT Pipe Gas Transfer System
o High Flow Onion Valve
o Shielded Valve Spring
o AT POPS
o 40% Larger Valve Chamber
o 65-80psi LPR Pressure
o 120-135psi Inline Pressure
o Contoured Grip and Console
o HiGrip Foregrip and Body Sleeve
o Adjustable Direct Acting Solenoid Valve
o Dual Rammer Speed Controls
o Tool-less Bolt, Rammer and Valve Removal
o 14.5" Shaft4 Barrel with 0.689" Back
o Infra-Red Break Beam Eyes
o Replaceable Transflective Graphic LCD Module
o Adjustable Tru-Colour RGB LCD Backlite
o 16-Bit Microprocessor - 16 MIPS (Million Instructions Per Second)
o Improved Solenoid Drive Circuitry for increased Velocity Consistency
o Menu Driven User Interface
o Ultra-Lightweight, Single Billet 3D Machined Body (Machined in the UK)
o Deftek Offset Feed Tube
o Clamping Feed with Sprocket Wheel Adjustment
o Integrated Rammer Housing
o Integrated FRM
o Offset Bores
o Micro-Switch and Opto Sensor Trigger Activation
o Dual Instrument Grade Ball-Raced Trigger
o Dual Trigger Return Mechanisms - Magnetic and Spring Trigger
o Integrated Audible Sounding Device
o Ramping and Semi-Auto Modes
o Compliant with Regulations of all Major Paintball Leagues
o E-Portal Compatible
o Assembled and Tested at Planet Eclipse HQ in the UK

Dimensions
Weight – 936g/2.06lb Including 14.5” Shaft4 Barrel, Battery, Feed Tube, POPS
Length – 555mm Including 14.5” 2-piece Shaft4 Barrel
Height – 210mm
Width – 27mm

Materials
Body – 6082-T6 Aluminium
Barrel – 6061-T6 Aluminium
Frame – 6061-T6 Aluminium
Feed – 6061-T6 Aluminium
Eye Covers – 6061-T6 Aluminium

Electronics
User Input – 3 Pushbuttons On Frame, Tourney Lock on PCB
Display – Transflective Graphic LCD Module with Tru-Color Adjustable Backlight
Solenoid voltage – 5V
Processor voltage – 3.3V
Processor – 16-Bit 16MIPS Flash Microcontroller
Power Supply – 1 x 9V (PP3) Battery
PC Interface – E-Portal Compatible

Hardware
ASA Mount – Direct Mount POPS (Push On Purge System)
Trigger Activation Methods – Micro-Switch and Photo-Interrupter Optical Sensor
Trigger Mechanism – Leaf Spring and Magnetic Return
Trigger Pivot – Dual Instrument Ball Race Units Mounted in Bearing Carrier
Barrel – 2-Piece Micro Honed Shaft4 14.5” length 0.689” Bore
Feed Tube – Lever Operated Clamping Feed with Sprocket Thumb Wheel

Pneumatics

Operating Principle – Under and Over Poppet with Lever Valve Mechanism
Solenoid Type – Custom MAC Direct Acting Solenoid Valve
Drive Mechanism – Zick3 Rammer System (Regular and Lightweight Options)
Bolt Mechanism – Cure5 Bolt

Ergonomics
Grip Type – Contoured Dual Density Grip
Grip Pitch – 185mm

Firmware
Firing Modes – Semi and Ramping Capped and Uncapped
Debounce Modes – 10 Debounce Modes plus Custom Tuning
Interupt Driven Routines

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I have been beta testing the LV since November of last year and I must say that it has been an absolute blast to get to learn this gun. Like everyone, I scratched my head when I first saw it - BUT not in a bad way. I actually dig the looks...it is just that it is so different from what we are used to, I think people are reacting to the shock. One of the things that has always bugged me about my EGOs is the LPR. The elimination of the external LPR cap is an AMAZING enhancement for the feel and ergonomics of shooting the LV. I can now wrap my hand along the bore and barrel like I can on a GEO, which adds stability and comfort while shooting, as well as quicker transitions from left hand to right hand. I have never had a problem with my hand getting uncomfortably wedged between the grip frame and HPR with the gas pipe assembly. In fact, the gas pipe has also been fantastic, as I play in very cold weather sometimes and ALWAYS had little annoying macroline leaks that came and went - NO MORE. this thing seals up in 15 degree weather (which I played in this winter, with snow on the ground and the gun performed flawlessly) or warm weather. Disassembly is also smoother and easier with the air pipe assembly...no more tugging on macrolines!

As for the rubber on the front - it is all subjective. I dont necessarily love the look of the rubber, but I love the FEEL of the rubber - it helps glue the gun in my hands and make for better shooting experience. combine the higher hand placement along the bore and a more balanced feel to the gun overall (much sturdier and more balanced than previous EGOs in my opinion), with the glue-like grip I have with the rubber up front, and you have a dramatically enhanced shooting platform.

But I really could care less about looks - if Jack gave me a gun that looked like a cinder block but it performed great, I would use it!! The internals is really what does it for me with this gun. The PE team has made tremendous advances in the function, performance, maintenance with this gun.

Let's start with the most obvious wow factor - the cam lever assembly. The great thing about EGOs over the years has been ease of maintenance, high cycle speeds and good efficiency, largely due to the poppet design. Where it suffered was sound signature and smoothness. The cam lever design changes all that. It offers the same level of ease of maintenance but dramatically quiets the gun down by slowly opening the exhaust valve via the cam lever. Think of it like a suppressor on a firearm - by allowing the gases in the gun to expand more slowly, you reduce the sound from the shot. My tests show a full 3 decibel reduction in sound over the GEO3 - THAT IS QUIET!!!!! My team mates tell me they cannot hear me shooting - and they and other people say they hear my paint whizzing and breaking over the sound of the gun. This slower expansion also smooths the shot out - much less vibration in the operation. This is further assisted by the addition of a valve stem - a new piece that goes over the valve spring that reduces the turbulence inside the operation of the gun. Finally, a newly designed, bulbous exhaust valve further reduces the turbulence. All combined, you have by far and away the smoothest shooting EGO ever. I really can't say enough about these enhancements...and I have taken a lot of time to really delve in and understand how they all work together - it isnt just one thing here or there - Jack and team completely rennovated the platform - to the point where I said it should be called something new entirely!! It is like a magical frankenstein of different gun platforms!

But while the cam lever slows down the opening of the valve and quieting/smoothing the shot, it does NOT slow the operation of the bolt and rammer - these still have the high cycle rates that EGO users expect. Two rammers will be coming with the guns as I understand it, which all of us beta testers have been using both. One is larger and smoother shooting, the other is tapered and provides better efficiency.

And when you combine the mix and match capabilities of the rammers with the same SFR design carried over from the EGO11, you have a dramatic ability to fine tune the LV to YOUR needs - faster, slower, smoother, quieter - it can really be tuned like a race car to get what you want out of it...mess with the dwell, SFRs, and different rammers and see what you can come up with - I have had a lot of fun trying different combos and permutations to see what works best for me!

I have some other results that I will share later, but as my hands are getting tired, I would be remiss to not mention the efficiency this gun gets. I have been getting close to A CASE OF PAINT on a single 68/4500 fill!!!!! Literally, in 18 degree weather, I was getting 1850 rounds off a hot fill. THAT IS CRAZY!!!!

Bottom line is that while the gun may look strange to folks, the "strangeness" has functional merits. And behind the look, are the most amazing advances in technology I have seen on a poppet platform. The gun is just freaking awesome. I was a huge GEO3 fan, as was most of my team. We are ALL switching to the LV full time. Jack is maniacal laughing at his desk about all the bipolar EGO/GEO personality complexes he is creating...both guns are fantastic, but I have to give the LV the edge in a competition, and it is really advances the ball of the EGO line.

Please feel free to ask me any questions on the forum or PM - happy to discuss my testing results.

Sheki

I don't post on PBN too often anymore...but here's my take on the new LV1 after my time with it so far.....

I’ve been fortunate to have been shooting the LV1 for the past few weeks. I will admit, at first glance of the marker...I wasn't super excited. It looked different....but much like most major changes when you’re used to something already being “normal” or “comfortable”, those major changes are always going to seem off putting at first. The gun has grown on me in regards to it’s looks over the past few weeks. And I actually quite enjoy it now. Seeing it in other colors than just the black that I have here....shows just how much thought went into the guns aesthetic design as well as it’s operational design.

I live in New England. New Hampshire to be exact. I’ve been shooting various paints through the LV1, in various weather conditions, under varying circumstances. I’ve had the gun in extremely low temps, and have had it at an indoor field as well....and it’s proven to be very reliable in all circumstances. When it arrived....it shot great. I had a slight issue with it shooting low in extreme extreme cold, which was easily remedied by a quick turn of the LPR. It came set a little lower than what I believe the gun will ship at....but since the change, the gun has performed absolutely flawless. In fact....I’ve yet to break a ball....barrel or breech.....in the gun yet after several cases of paint in some rugged temps.

The gun balances extremely well. I know at first glance some are saying it looks big. It’s not. Once you start playing with it, you quickly realize that it feels much like your Ego11....but only a little more comfortable. Your grip hand placement couldn’t be more perfect, and with the rubber wrapping around the entire grip console, the gun is extremely comfortable to play with.

It shoots, like most have reported, extremely smooth. Actually, scary smooth. I really wasn’t expecting much of a change from the Ego11....but this has certainly set the bar very high. All this and I’ve yet to even turn down the solenoids flow control valve from it’s stock settings to obtain an even smoother shot. It’s as smooth as my Geo3, if not smoother and quieter, but has a different shot feel from that gun all together.

Anyone in the area is welcome to come find me and I’d be more than happy to lend it out to you to play some points/games with it. I think you’ll enjoy what they brought to the table with this gun quite a bit.

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The ergonomics of this gun are incredible. There are many things that contribute to a gun that just feels perfect when you hold it. The rubberized foregrip is excellent. It provides a similar feel and level of grip to that of the regular grip panels. I don't know why it has taken the paintball industry so long to move to this in the first place. The wrap around style of the rubber makes it very easy to hold in any manner you choose.

The flush fit LPR is also a real winner to me. In the past I have always been a GEO shooter, simply because I like how they shoot and feel better than an EGO. The flush LPR goes a long way to change that. Now you can hold it directly under the barrel. And with the rubberized grip it feels even better. I truly hope this comes to the GEO platform eventually. I think after people try it, most will agree.

The air line where it is, may seem similar to the macroline, but I feel it's better in just about every way. It exits the HPR in the same spot as a macroline, but it does not hang down. There is really no way you can think of it as being in the way more than a macroline (as some people have suggested). At worst it's the same, but IMO it really is better. It is also very robust and simple. It will still allow for easy troubleshooting and maintenance, unlike other designs.

The overall spacing between the grip and HPR is slightly longer and makes the overall gun feel more balanced. All these things along with the grip moved even higher up towards the barrel plane the gun holds/aims perfectly. It is really comfortable and natural to hold and shoot. And so far all those great changes are purely ergonomic. The real meat of the difference is inside...

The cam driven valve and the changes to the geometry of the valve itself have completely transformed how the gun shoots. The valve and spring design along with larger airflow paths have made it much easier and more efficient to get air behind the ball. The way the cam drive opens the valve has also had a huge impact on the overall shot. It is much, much smoother than any other EGO and operates at lower pressures.

Really the way this things shoots is the biggest difference. It really is totally different. I feel it is on par with a GEO or other spool valve. It is just that smooth and quiet. The first time you shoot it, it will immediately be apparent that this is different than any EGO of the past. Along with the great shot, the overall feel of the gun is amazing. This is finally an EGO that I would consider picking up over a GEO.

I urge people to wait until they've actually held and shot this gun before making a judgement on whether or not they like it. Once you've actually held and shot it, I feel many people will really, really like it!

Alvecchio

Guys I've personally shot and played with this gun. I've also owned for at least a year, every ego except a 10. I currently shoot a WELL broken in, tuned, and darted CSL. I love my CSL. This thing made me sad to have to shoot my CSL again.

First of all, all you guys complaining about how it's gonna feel need to relax. NOTHING gets in the way. NOTHING. that little tube actually improves the stability because IF YOU WANT, you can position your palm so it's pressing against it. IF YOU WANT! If not, you just hold it regularly.

ALSO, it's clear that PE went function over form(edit-JW) with this gun because everything about it improves on your use of it. The rubber is not soft and squishy like the DM, it's firm just like the grin rubber is. Also the amount of rubber up front gives you so much space to get your entire hand on it however you want, there's literally no uncomfortable way to hold this thing. Even if the only thing they did was improve the ergos, they'd still have a considerably better feeling gun.

The whole gun is roughly the same length, but the gripping points are further away giving you a stable grip kinda like the luxe offers. The grip frame is a little bigger due to the air running through it now which I also liked. Again, more surface area to hold the gun steady.

As for that tube. You'll forget it's there. It is VERY secure and there's NO need to worry about it falling out/coming loose/hitting something. You twist it to expand and shorten it like a curtain rod and it gets nice and snug in the joints. Doesn't wiggle around at all.

The shot on it is ridiculous. Is sounds unlike any ego you've ever shot. When I first shot it I was convinced it was shooting low. Then the clock confirmed it was not. That lever mechanism makes so much sense. Also I gotta believe that the absence of a giant spring and big flat valve head for the air to flow around helps smooth out airflow very significantly (which I'm thinking is how they lowered the pressure so much).

All in all this is a gun you really have to play with, not just shoot to fully appreciate. It IS a game changer. Ya made my CSL seem archaic in comparison to me. I will be purchasing a swamp LV 1 as soon as its available (hint hint, Jack!).

So to the nay-Sayers that are writing it off because of the way it looks or that don't think it's a big enough improvement over the 11, carry-on and avoid placing orders so I can get mine sooner :-)

Vicious49
Since we're doing testimonials . . . I'm not as good as putting my thoughts in writing as others, but here goes . . .

I've had the gun for a while now. I've shot it and tested it in the winter here in the DC area. It has not given me any issues except for a bit of FSDO which was easily fixed by a change in the programming and tweaking the LPR. With the bigger adjustability range on the LPR on the LV1, it plays a much bigger role than on previous models.

Shooting wise, it is quieter and smoother than any Ego before it. I thought the Ego11 was a major step up in terms of kick and sound, but the LV1 takes it up another notch. You won't believe it until you shoot one yourself. The sound isn't just on the shooting end either. I was reffing one day while another tester was using the gun and it sounded significantly different than what you expect from an Ego.

The new internals of the gun seem daunting at first, but after you disassemble it once you realize how simple it is. The tool less assembly has been very cleverly designed. You can pull the HPR, LPR, and valve spring/assemble all apart with out even needing a hex key.

Some have complained that the gun seems like it might be too long. I haven't felt that the gun was too long at anytime while shooting it. I can't comment as much on the ergonomics on the rubber grip since I've had it taped up most of the time.

I said the Ego11 was a major step in the right direction and it was. I also highly recommended the Geo3. I am stating it right now, the LV1 is a significant change from the Ego11. Will it shoot faster or help you win more games? Probably not. But technologically it is radically different. It has a much lower operating pressure and it is significantly quieter and smoother.

Tniz

I've had the opportunity to be shooting this for the past couple months here in the northeast. When I first opened the box, I was a little taken back, like most of you all here on the nation. The rubber grips, and the AT confused me and I was confident I wouldn't like it. I've always been a fan of the GEOs as I can get a good handle on the foregrip while running, and I immediately fell in love with the new LPR design. It allowed me to hold the gun tighter and shoulder it properly on the move. Throw in the rubberized grip, and it actually made for a comfortable setup. Thankfully, the rubber is a little firmer than some of the other materials but still had a little tack and wasn't slippery. Now that I felt comfortable with layout of the front of the gun, my next battle was getting over the transfer tube. I was certain it would get in the way when switching hands, or worse break should my rather large body takes an awkward dive. I voiced my concerns to Jack about the tube, and he mentioned that it would be possible to use it with standard macro, but that I should give it's stock setup a chance first. Switching hands was not an issue, and I've taken my fair share of horrible dives while learning how to dive into the snake . I've knocked my mask off mid game, saw my hopper go flying, but found the LV1 still aired up with no leaks from the AT.

As far as performance goes, I've tried to beat on this thing. We've had a really rough winter in New England, and I had no issues with going from playing indoor to heading outside in the lower 30* weather. I personally, don't love the way it looks. It's not ugly by any means, but I feel some of the previous years had better milling. The big thing for me, is that any lack of aesthetic appeal was greatly outweighed by performance gains. The redesigned valve, lower operating pressures, and the lever setup is really going to redefine how ego's shoot. By mechanically slowing down the opening of the valve, it was pretty easy to feel that the shot wasn't as "violent" leading to a much softer shot both physically and aurally. With the GEO3, I got flamed for all my efficiency talk, so I'm going to leave that for each user to experience based on their setup, settings, and environmental factors. I will say, I have no fears of stepping onto any airball field or into any big game scenario and running out of air

As far as routine maintenance goes. It was typical EGO maintenance. Most of the dis-assembly is all done with no tools making it easy to strip in the pits. It did take a couple attempts to get used to removing and installing the lpr cap, but I was over complicating it.

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Awesome. Please make a Combat 2 color and I will buy one!
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Any word on compatibility with certain parts in past markers?
I.E. Bolt, Rammer, etc?

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Whilst I may ***** and complain about the rubber boot up front, holy ****ing **** is all I can say about the internal changes.

Amazing.

PE just ***** slapped everyone who has ever said PE doesn't change anything on their new models lol.
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When we will be able to purchase one of these fine markers ? .....and by god you have been busy the last 2 years, you should take some time to yourself. Job well done.
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Thanks for all the info. Sounds amazing.
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Oh no. Jack, thanks for using my post, but might wanna fix my mistake haha. I said form over function. I meant function over form...unless...you guys actually did go for form over function haha.
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I'll wait for the sl-lv1
Maybe it will grow on me
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Oh no. Jack, thanks for using my post, but might wanna fix my mistake haha. I said form over function. I meant function over form...unless...you guys actually did go for form over function haha.
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I'll wait for the sl-lv1
Maybe it will grow on me
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You have all those AMAZING guns, but you aren't going to give this the benfit of the doubt given the 2 testimonials up there? You'll kick yourself, I promis
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When we will be able to purchase one of these fine markers ? .....and by god you have been busy the last 2 years, you should take some time to yourself. Job well done.
Thanks. Just been 'boarding for a couple of days

I don't want to jump the gun, so I'm going to check with the sales guys once they are all back from PBE and get an update on what they are expecting and when. I'll let you know
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Any word on compatibility with certain parts in past markers?
I.E. Bolt, Rammer, etc?

Thanks Jack!
Errrrr, the grip screws??

Pretty much every single piece on this gun is new. Ah, just remembered, the bearing carrier. That's the same
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Pretty much every single piece on this gun is new...
Awesome, I guess.

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Well mr. Wood I've been a pe fan boy and always a sl man.
With in time that line might just grow on me.

I did a mock up with another gun to get a rough feel of that inline..... And let me say my back up hand was not to comfortable.
I believe the rest of it in performance but that line just.......
I'll wait till you come up with a sl
But great work
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Since we're doing testimonials . . . I'm not as good as putting my thoughts in writing as others, but here goes . . .

I've had the gun for a while now. I've shot it and tested it in the winter here in the DC area. It has not given me any issues except for a bit of FSDO which was easily fixed by a change in the programming and tweaking the LPR. With the bigger adjustability range on the LPR on the LV1, it plays a much bigger role than on previous models.

Shooting wise, it is quieter and smoother than any Ego before it. I thought the Ego11 was a major step up in terms of kick and sound, but the LV1 takes it up another notch. You won't believe it until you shoot one yourself. The sound isn't just on the shooting end either. I was reffing one day while another tester was using the gun and it sounded significantly different than what you expect from an Ego.

The new internals of the gun seem daunting at first, but after you disassemble it once you realize how simple it is. The tool less assembly has been very cleverly designed. You can pull the HPR, LPR, and valve spring/assemble all apart with out even needing a hex key.

Some have complained that the gun seems like it might be too long. I haven't felt that the gun was too long at anytime while shooting it. I can't comment as much on the ergonomics on the rubber grip since I've had it taped up most of the time.

I said the Ego11 was a major step in the right direction and it was. I also highly recommended the Geo3. I am stating it right now, the LV1 is a significant change from the Ego11. Will it shoot faster or help you win more games? Probably not. But technologically it is radically different. It has a much lower operating pressure and it is significantly quieter and smoother.
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