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Old 02-26-2013, 08:21 PM #22
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:23 PM #23
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Something about the grips and the front grip make it look very cheap. I'm not a huge fan of the price. I'm sure it's a great shooter and will make a huge slpash in the pro scene
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:25 PM #24
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It might cost as much as the axe to make.
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reminds me of that tippmann gryphon from walmart with an oled board slapped in the forgrip and an extremely higher price-tag, I'll stick to my clone gt and axe. sorry empire, not this time =\
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:39 PM #26
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I don't know why people think it looks bad. I think the all black looks really nice, but the other colors...eh...not so much, too glossy for my tastes.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:48 PM #27
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I don't know why people think it looks bad.
Because we have eyes

My take on this gun is:

Reading the feature list =

Looking at the pictures =

Looking at the pricetag =

Is a pressure readout and a lube detector really worth having a marker that ugly when the same (or less) money will buy you a much better-looking Luxe that otherwise most likely performs exactly the same?
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:12 AM #28
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super ugly. The aids quilt is more exciting.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:52 AM #29
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Is a pressure readout and a lube detector really worth having a marker that ugly when the same (or less) money will buy you a much better-looking Luxe that otherwise most likely performs exactly the same?
It's not a lube detector... it goes by the amount of shots ie 5000 shots, relube needed! You then reset the warning, shoot 5000 more shots, relube needed...

I am just shocked by this.

Empire made me into a fan when I got my Axe as it is SO much fun and great value. The Vanquish would have been brilliant if priced right... but alas, they ****ed that up.

I honestly thought it would be...

Mini (ditched - final end to Invert line)
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Vanquish @ 650

WHAMMO - they would storm the market.

Now it looks like this:

Mini @ 305
Sniper @ 360
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Axe @ 416
Axe LTD @ 520
Impulse @ 750
Vanquish @ 1200

PLEASE stop releasing WAY overpriced markers. No paintball marker should ever be over 900!!! Hell, over 600 is too much considering how much they cost to actually make them (inc research costs!)!
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:11 AM #30
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Its nce but i'll wait on the price drop
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Still love the look of the AXE.... Not really doing anything for me.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:29 AM #32
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For a $1500 marker why didn't they have a case similar to a luxe case? Like seriously any markers over $900 should include a nice case
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:31 AM #33
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For a $1500 marker why didn't they have a case similar to a luxe case? Like seriously any markers over $900 should include a nice case
Did you watch the videos in the news thread? It comes with a really nice looking neoprene case with a barrel holder and everything. I'm actually more interested in the case than the Vanquish..
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:40 AM #34
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I really think this thing looks so bad because they used gloss parts with that stupid rubber. The contrast between the two makes it look cheap. Hopefully they will offer them in dust colors.

Also, the price isn't too big of a surprise. Kee wasn't going to put out a gun that would take away sells from the Axe and Kee wants a piece of the high end market. A $1500 gun will not affect sales of the Axe or the Impulse, but it will take away sales from DLX an Eclipse.Now Kee is offering a paintball gun for nearly every ones budget.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:14 AM #35
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A $1500 gun will not affect sales of the Axe or the Impulse, but it will take away sales from DLX an Eclipse.
While I agree it will not take sales from the Axe, I disagree that it will send hoards of PE and Luxe shooters the Vanquish.

I put down my BL Victory and G6r's solely based on the price point of the Axe. The performance was just as good and was half the price.

If the Axe had been priced comparably to my G6r... I'd still be shooting that...

The impact, if any, on the Geo3 and Luxe will be marginal at its current price point.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:27 AM #36
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Scenario:

A long time Axe shooter wants to buy a $1500 plaintball gun to 'up his game' . Before the Vanquish he would HAVE to choose from a few companies that he was unfamiliar compared to Kee. None of them have a lifetime warrenty except Kee, but one of them hires fake women as publicity reps. Now that dude has the option to stick with Kee all the way up the ladder (until they realize the Axe shoots just as good as the Vanquish for a 1/3 of the price ). If they sell 3 of these they probably took business away from another high-ed paintball company because tht person was going to spend their cash on something...

And I'm very happy you got rid of your Victory since it's now living with me. I got it the day before Bob Long released his spool engine. I actually think that my Boss'd Axe shoots better than my Victory or my G6R. However I like their ergonomics a little better than the Axe.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:32 AM #37
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Ha. You would throw that Victory back at me!

BL ergos are awesome. Only thing I miss.

The only weakness of the Axe is ergonomics.

Every other "new" gun that comes on the market, myself and a few teammates measure them by how many axes we could buy in its place
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:06 AM #38
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Now I don't think this will take away anyone who has been a hardcore DLX/Dye/PE/Bob Long fans for years, unless it actually shoot that good. the internals don't look to special so I don't think that's happening.

And I think it's funny how Bob Long is known for making guns with such great ergonomics, but is the one of the few that hasn't started dipping their guns in rubber and calling it a feature. Plastic guns at walmart use rubber like that, then somehow mid end guns are mostly aluminum, and the super high end guns are using rubber again? I don't get it and I don't like it.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:52 AM #39
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Bad marketing on part of kee. They have little competition in the axe price range. Putting this fugly thing out in the same range as much better looking markers is a mistake. Im not alone in saying that i love my axe bc it works everyday. Does the same thing as more expensive markers at a lower price. Now kee went and spent a bunch of money making and selling something that basically say that the majority of their loyal and axe owning customers have an inferior product. Fail....

Ill probably jump on the macdev or bob long products now. Much sexier...keeping my axe bc i know it will work.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:12 PM #40
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I agree that the Vanquish is not ascetically pleasing, especially in a gloss color. However Empire hasn't exactly been known for making stuff that is beautiful. They are known for making stuff that get the job done; kinda like 'function over form' The best example is the Axe. Would the Vanquish look better with smaller screws? Yes, but then they all wouldn't use the same size allen key. Rubber on the front grip is ugly, but very functional. I believe that kind of thinking got us this Vanquish instead of something that looks like the Luxe. Personally, if I spend $1500 on something I want it to look better than the gloss versions, but I also understand how/why Empire arrived at that design.

And I really don't think Empire is trying to make people think the Axe isn't what it used to be. They are still making money off the Axe and that would be a bad decision. Kee is trying to expand to their product line to the super highend market to make more money and improve their reputation.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:57 PM #41
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1500 for ~8 pods? Victory get up to 10 for less. I feel at 1500 u should compete with that.
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:44 PM #42
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This is about half as good looking and twice as expensive as the gun it would have taken for me ditch the axe and pick up a spool.

Luckily, I still love my axe
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