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Old 06-04-2013, 06:55 AM #421
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Depends on who makes your paint and where you are in the World...

Some of the paint at the last NPPL HB was so big that people wiped out CP's collection of large bore barrels... They sold every .696 they had.

Some paint being made overseas in Asia, Europe and in Russia has been so large you would need it.
To piggyback on Simon's comments, the other thing to take into consideration is that paint consistency is not static. Five years ago, I was consistently using a .689 and .693. Then I dropped down to a .682. Then up to a .685, then to a .679. Now I'm back up to a .685. One or two batches of paint and I could be back into a .689 or higher. Larger paint and a little humidity and moisture in the air and it's not inconceivable that you would need a bore in the .693 - .696 range.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:05 AM #422
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How much more would you be willing to pay for it to be made in Murica?
Quite a bit more actually

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Old 06-04-2013, 08:43 AM #423
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Quite a bit more actually
I really don't agree. There are plenty of non union machine shops around that want the buisness. Hell, there are states paying manufacturing to move in, nearly giving them space and helping with utilities. With advancements in cad software/hardware a machine shop can be up and running in a matter of weeks and churning out product. Everything can be done in house if wanted to control quality. Sure, at first there might be a slightly higher cost, but not enough to warrant off-shoring. The problem is profit margins significantly decrease when production costs increase. So instead of making 30-35% profit they might have to make 15-20%.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:47 AM #424
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It's almost $600 already, I don't get why it's so expensive.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:37 AM #425
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I really don't agree. There are plenty of non union machine shops around that want the buisness. Hell, there are states paying manufacturing to move in, nearly giving them space and helping with utilities. With advancements in cad software/hardware a machine shop can be up and running in a matter of weeks and churning out product. Everything can be done in house if wanted to control quality. Sure, at first there might be a slightly higher cost, but not enough to warrant off-shoring. The problem is profit margins significantly decrease when production costs increase. So instead of making 30-35% profit they might have to make 15-20%.
What don't you agree with? Sounds like we are on the same page. I too would prefer an American made product. I don't think the cost would be all that much higher (look at Bob Long and CP's prices) but even if it was I would pay quite a bit more for something made in the USA.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:37 AM #426
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That it would be quite a bit more. At 600$ i'm thinking it costs about 350$ total cost and import fees. Now if it cost 400$ to make in the usa, they can still sell it at 600$ and turn a decent profit.

Also keep in mind this is a mechanical gun, no electronics involved so that helps with costs.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:11 AM #427
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Budd Orr did a great when he ran WGP. It was made in USA and the pricing was fair and he sold tons.

The pet peeve I have is why not sell the Resurrection with barrel and without barrel kit. I just picked up a Super Freak kit and not will end up with another barrel kit.

I only want the gun!

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Old 06-04-2013, 11:46 AM #428
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It's almost $600 already, I don't get why it's so expensive.
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So is the price to high for the new Empire autoFocker???? Prices sourced from Compulsive and Paintball Gateway all new parts

Now granted some of these parts are made in the USA.

This is not including screws, fittings, Hose, ect. so add 10.00 to the total. $707.00

Sure we could build a used one for less......but for what you get it is a good deal with a warranty and a new box with tools and spare parts.


Part Cost
Ram Belsales 49.95
LPR AKA SCM-III 49.95
3way Belsales 34.95
Sear Roller Belsales 24.95
Feed Neck Clamping CCM 24.95
Lower Tube parts (Valve, Hammer Springs) Check-it 59.95
Body WGP Black Magic PB-Gateway(annoed) 99.95 On sale
front Block 7.95
Bolt with pin Check-It 39.95
3way rod 5.95
Bottom line ASA CP 44.95
Frame Complete WGP slider 69.95
Barrel Kit (J&J started kit) 95.00
Reg WGP black magic 59.95
Bolt sled 19.95
Pump arm 7.95
TOTAL rounded to the dollar 697.00
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/p...ml#post2717394

Autocockers have always been expensive save for the Trilogies. The Resurrection is actually a good bang for buck.

Got to try one out at Flagswipe here in London. I love the snappiness of the trigger on it. Good work Simon and Empire.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:48 PM #429
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Those are retail prices. You can never go by parts retail price when looking at the production cost of a marker. Factor in the case, and barrel kit too into that price of 550$
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:55 AM #430
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I picked one up yesterday.Very pleased.Put 1/2 case through it .Great shooter! You'd have to try really hard to short stroke ... I'd feel confident handing the resurrection to a beginner and saying ,"Go have fun!"

Well done Simon and co.

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Old 06-09-2013, 07:18 AM #431
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Does anyone know if the Plane Eclipse POPs on/off ASA will fit the Resurrection?

From some pictures I have seen the ASA mount on the Resurrection appears to have the same 'T' bar style "dove tail" rail assembly/mounting.
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:22 AM #432
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Budd Orr did a great when he ran WGP. It was made in USA and the pricing was fair and he sold tons.

The pet peeve I have is why not sell the Resurrection with barrel and without barrel kit. I just picked up a Super Freak kit and not will end up with another barrel kit.

I only want the gun!
It probably wouldn't go down much, but just another added factor of why I should get one.
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