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Old 02-22-2013, 11:32 PM #43
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Well when your drilling out the guide from the back, then yes, you would need to have it on an extension of some kind.. but if it gets to the point of making small grooves to give it a little spin, it may just be best to leave the cone solid.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:44 PM #44
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I don't think spiral grooves would spin the ball at all, but it could help with flow.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:49 PM #45
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I don't think spiral grooves would spin the ball at all, but it could help with flow.
Of course not, there wouldn't be enough spin, and anyways the air is mostly just pushing from the back. But yes, the point would be for potentially better air flow,.
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:36 AM #46
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Seems like a good idea. Unfortunately I'm not technical enough to do anything with my shocker nor am I any good at physics or anything of that sort. Looks cool man.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:12 AM #47
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Why not try something like what Alien does where they put backspin on the ball? Not even sure if they do that still but they did back when I had my interceptor.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:23 AM #48
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Why not try something like what Alien does where they put backspin on the ball? Not even sure if they do that still but they did back when I had my interceptor.
there have been a couple independant tests that show that Aliens bolt doesnt have that much of an effect in real life, great idea on paper though.

I talked to Lurker about this a few months back and he wasnt very interested if i recall, Maybe its more appealing seeing this amount of interest? Lurker?
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:35 AM #49
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there have been a couple independant tests that show that Aliens bolt doesnt have that much of an effect in real life, great idea on paper though.

I talked to Lurker about this a few months back and he wasnt very interested if i recall, Maybe its more appealing seeing this amount of interest? Lurker?
I do agree that this seems like a good concept idea but are the benefits gonna out weigh a purchase price for it and is it really gonna make the shockers drivetrain that much more efficient? Here is where the pricing gets tricky and to generate enough interest: cost of materials, cost of labor(machine time, and someone's personal time), shipping, there has to be a profit margin to make something on this idea and as I'm seeing it from this stand point it's gonna make me choose to not buy one. Like you said that the concept looks better talked about but is it really worth the minimal gains or not really any gains vs the price tag it's going to have to carry to make it a worthwhile adventure? I know just consulting my buddy's dad just to run a part for me is around 30 an hr, plus cost of materials so let's say it takes 4hrs per guide your looking at 120 just I'm labor costs before purchasing materials
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4 hours, no way man. Yesterday I turned, drilled, tapered cone, grooved, drilled again, and threaded in just under an hour, that included writing the program. All that's left is the back cap.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:06 AM #51
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Yea, once the code has been written, I would think you could easily get 1-2 done per hour on a CNC lathe.
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And I don't make anything close to $30 an hour lol.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:06 AM #53
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I was just using that as a figure not as an actual time measurement but the programming is gonna take an hr and you said you haven't turned the back portion of the cap yet so let's just call that 3hrs but after that it should be about 2 an hr. I'm just looking at it from a business perspective mindset here, if there is a giant interest in this then it would be worth it if the price point is set right. Testing and numbers are gonna be the variable as to if its worthwhile to go forward to mass production in this project though.
*edit - I am intrigued by the idea of this but I'm also skeptical at the gains on this but I'd be willing to help in any way test this out and give a full write up of my findings and be unbiased about it
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:08 AM #54
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And I don't make anything close to $30 an hour lol.
I know the actual machinist doesn't make 30 an hr but my buddies dad owns the shop here local to me and his starting rate is 55 an hr to have something fabricated cause he has to pay employees and overhead along with paying both state and fed taxes and all that
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I'm still a student and my job title is shop helper(aka tool *****) not a machinist. There are plenty of machinist that make well over 30/hr
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:24 AM #56
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Yeah been there before went to school for idust. tech (machine fab and welding) couldn't find a place that hires without actual real world experience but I'm fortunate enough to get cut deals when I need stuff done like projects. If I could get into a shop doing this I'd love it but I've kinda moved away from it and gone management which at some points is miserable. I was just spitballing numbers and making realistic points as to why things cost what they do. I'd like to see the design on the nose cone to swirl the air as it makes contact with the ball but as I'm thinking about it is it worth the extra time to and programming to get possibly nothing out of it
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:03 PM #59
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Is the plastic it uses strong enough to make a guide?
Im guessing he was talking about the doing the different tip variation
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I know the actual machinist doesn't make 30 an hr but my buddies dad owns the shop here local to me and his starting rate is 55 an hr to have something fabricated cause he has to pay employees and overhead along with paying both state and fed taxes and all that
your buddies dad rate is cheap... our shop rate is $100

bulldogg- if you move to toledo.. I could get you a job

inmylife- I was in the same boat as you... being the shop *****. My advise learn all you can get a degree in engineering or design and you will be unstoppable... I just graduated with a degree in engineering. I run the cnc department at work and design all the fixtures, attend all these bs meetings, own office etc.. (because i have a piece of paper) Plus, I get calls about twice a week about a jobs.
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your buddies dad rate is cheap... our shop rate is $100

bulldogg- if you move to toledo.. I could get you a job

inmylife- I was in the same boat as you... being the shop *****. My advise learn all you can get a degree in engineering or design and you will be unstoppable... I just graduated with a degree in engineering. I run the cnc department at work and design all the fixtures, attend all these bs meetings, own office etc.. (because i have a piece of paper) Plus, I get calls about twice a week about a jobs.
I want to finish my machine tool degree first and see where it goes from there, but I've def considered mech E
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