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Old 02-10-2013, 07:55 PM #1
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Question Theoretical Professional Question.

Hey guys. I was just thinking, If a pump team was good enough, would it be legal for them to enter/play at the professional level? Could an existing professional team have players with pumps play? Or is it limited to only players playing psp/whatever mode? Just curious.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:05 AM #2
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Yes. Pump is legal everywhere I'm aware of.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:15 AM #3
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Yes. Pump is legal everywhere I'm aware of.
i think he meant pumps playing against people with electros on the professional level
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Ahaha I see that's what I thought! So does anyone else think it would be pretty cool to see a Damage/Legion/etc Snake player or something rocking a CCM? I actually feel like it could be kinda practical b/c of pumps lightweight qualities

EDIT: And @Trigger Finger yeah that's what I meant.
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Old 02-11-2013, 01:25 AM #5
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Ahaha I see that's what I thought! So does anyone else think it would be pretty cool to see a Damage/Legion/etc Snake player or something rocking a CCM? I actually feel like it could be kinda practical b/c of pumps lightweight qualities

EDIT: And @Trigger Finger yeah that's what I meant.
Modern semis are lighter than modern pumps in absolute terms, the pump itself can be fairly weighty. What would actually make the setup lighter is a 13ci tank and 50 rd hopper, THAT would be interesting to see in the snake.

I honestly think semi snake players would be all over a small force-feed hopper. Another reason I think it's ridiculous one hasn't been made yet.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:55 AM #6
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i think he meant pumps playing against people with electros on the professional level
You're right.

I don't see many of those guys switching to something they can't reload with a full pod ahead of time. A smaller force feed loader would have a place in rec and lower levels of tournament play, but for those looking for all the advantages, it's a tough trade-off.
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:21 AM #7
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Pumps can be lighter than a semi if the bodies were milled down more and pump handles hollow or made form CF. I see pumps with a lot of heavy components on them which is not needed.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:03 AM #8
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At that level of play, I would think that the additional ROF would be far more beneficial then the slight weight or profile difference. It would be cool, but I see no advantage.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:06 AM #9
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I would love to see a 50 or 100 rnd force feed hopper. Snake players could use 100 rnd pods to fill the bigger one. Would not have to swap out any other equipment. Only issue with a 13/3k tank, for tournaments, is the 150-170 shots a tank.

I have an old Revy I wonder if I could Frankenstein it with a Sport shoot 100 round hopper...
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:25 AM #10
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I have an old Revy I wonder if I could Frankenstein it with a Sport shoot 100 round hopper...
If it is a pre-BE revy please don't cut it up lol
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:30 PM #11
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It's legal for people to use pumps at the pro level, because it's a disadvantage (read: hardly anyone does it).

As much as people might pride themselves on how good they are with a pump, and with the occasional win by a pump team over electro teams -- most of the top pro speedball teams are every bit as talented with their electros as any pump player is with his/her pump gun. The difference is, instead of 1-2 accurate balls in a snapshot (pump player) there are 5+ of them in the air (electro player). That means more opponents will be hit with a higher percentage of those hits being breaks.

Any player who knows the game well and is accurate without having to "walk" the shots into their target has a distinct advantage over a pump player. That's just the reality of the situation. Pumps can be lighter and thus quicker on snaps due to smaller hoppers/tanks, but it really doesn't make a huge difference at the upper levels of competition. It becomes a numbers/probability game at that point.

I'm not saying amazing things can't be done with a pump or by pump teams. We've all got our stories. I just like to live in reality; and the reality is that pro teams are not going to risk all they've invested by giving themselves a self-imposed handicap.
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:36 PM #12
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:17 PM #13
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Don't the LA hit men rock both in d1 nppl? Or used too? I'm trying to remember if inheard that right
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:40 PM #14
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I don't think they were playing Pro division.
At least with a Pump you wouldn't have to worry about the ROF cap.

I see Pump teams beat Semi squads quite often but obviously equally skilled a Semi team should always beat a Pump team.
In PSP with coaching Pump might have a better chance.

The major advantage is that second and third ball comes much faster than anyone can pump in a snapshooting battle.

Now a hybrid team with a couple semi's backing up some Pumps up front....
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The major advantage is that second and third ball comes much faster than anyone can pump in a snapshooting battle.
And perhaps more importantly, more accurately.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:04 AM #16
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I remember LA Hitmen used to roll with a few pumps in there div1 nppl squad. There snake player Chris and Derek often used pumps. I saw Tony use a mech a few times but I think he was more comfortable with a semi if I remember correctly. In fact I think there is a pb video, of HB in 06 or 05 where you see Chris playing with a pump. I'd tell you the vid name, but I'm not home, its downloaded on my HD somewhere.
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