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Old 02-06-2013, 10:31 PM #1
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Unhappy shocker sft manifold leak

hey all, i have a 06 dynasty shocker sft with a tect enertia bolt, bone stock everything else. the noid was leaking which i recently replaced with a brand new one, and after about 4 cases it just started dumping out air again. i replaced all the seals on the manifold to no avail, any other ideas?! its leaking directly on the section where the noid meets the manifold i really would rather not spend another $100 on a noid seeing how my guns worth about $200.... any help would be much appreciated, thanks!
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Old 02-07-2013, 11:54 AM #2
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Are you sure you put the right size o-rings on the manifold? I believe the bottom outer rings (body to manifold) are 3mm, and the bottom middle is 2.5mm. The top 3 (solenoid to manifold) are 2mm. I know I had an issue where somehow the 2.5mm was on the top and a 2mm was on the bottom creating a sealing issue, once switched back it was good to go
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:44 PM #3
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good point jl, any ideas of where i can get these exact orings? literally every single oring kit im finding doesnt include solenoid manifold rings. shockers can be frustrating
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:22 PM #4
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Sometimes manifold o-rings are not the cause. Noid leaks can also be caused by the middle two o-rings on the left solenoid insert. Replace those if nothing else works. Also, on zdspb.com it says that in extreme cases, insert depth can also be a cause of solenoid leak.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:29 AM #5
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:55 AM #6
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Sometimes manifold o-rings are not the cause. Noid leaks can also be caused by the middle two o-rings on the left solenoid insert. Replace those if nothing else works. Also, on zdspb.com it says that in extreme cases, insert depth can also be a cause of solenoid leak.
Stay away from you noid inserts until its a last resort. The most common cause for manifold leaks is a bad bolt sail oring.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:30 AM #7
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Lots of causes for such leaks, usually best to start at the bolt, then inserts, then manifold. I say manifold last because I've seen 100 rounded mounting screws/stripped manifolds/stripped body threads, I've only seen one pair of rounded inserts which I had to remove this week.

http://www.zdspb.com/tech/mguide/sho...ifoldleak.html
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:33 AM #8
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Stay away from you noid inserts until its a last resort. The most common cause for manifold leaks is a bad bolt sail oring.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:59 PM #9
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Jims right, forgot about the sail o-ring.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:42 PM #10
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o-ring monkey has just manifold rebuild kits for pretty cheap
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:38 AM #11
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what exactly is this sail oring? and where is it located?
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:41 AM #12
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The sail o-ring is the furthest one back on the bolt, and is also the largest ring on the bolt. It is located on the part that is raised, its a 16/70. refer to zdspb.com, they have diagrams for you to look at. heres a video for reference too.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:51 AM #13
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The sail o-ring is the furthest one back on the bolt, and is also the largest ring on the bolt. It is located on the part that is raised, its a 16/70. refer to zdspb.com, they have diagrams for you to look at. heres a video for reference too.
the sail oring could be the cause of a leak of where the manifold meets the solenoid?
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:04 AM #14
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the sail oring could be the cause of a leak of where the manifold meets the solenoid?
yes. scroll down to "Solenoid Manifold, Leak From Left Exhaust Port"
http://www.zdspb.com/tech/mguide/sho...ifoldleak.html

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Old 02-11-2013, 11:12 AM #15
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yes. scroll down to "Solenoid Manifold, Leak From Left Exhaust Port"
http://www.zdspb.com/tech/mguide/sho...ifoldleak.html
well i switched out the sail oring, didnt work
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:16 AM #16
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so far ive done absolutely everything, inserts included yet the leak persists....
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:20 AM #17
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It also could be a leaking butterfly oring. I had one of those. And it sucked bad.
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I suggest you locate where the leak is coming from specifically. Clearly its around the manifold, but the leak could be coming from any one of a few different locations around the manifold, and each location has a different remedy.

http://www.zdspb.com/tech/mguide/sho...ifoldleak.html
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:42 PM #20
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the oring kit i used was some cheap orings i found at my local store, which was all they had. i just bought the oring monkey boxed and labeled kit, so once i get this im going to do a full rebuild of every single ring in the gun(minus inside the solenoid) and report back to you guys!
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:56 PM #21
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update:

alright guys, i got the oringmonkey kit and replaced every oring to specific size, bolt and manifold included. i then proceeded to air it up and at first it still wasnt holding air. i fidgeted with the mounting depth of both inserts and i got it to seal! for a single shot anyways. after one shot it would slowly leak air out of the same location on the noid. then i messed with it a bit more and was able to get it to stop completely. i dryfired it a bit and it was holding up fine. then i took it out and put half a pod through it and it started dumping out air again where the noid meets the manifold...... any thoughts?? btw reg pressure is 190
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