We're supposed to do what about this...? The computer you're using is cheap because they can mass produce and not give a ****.
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China is proposing some pretty dramatic changes in the urban centers in terms of reducing factory pollution and by limiting the number of cars on the road at any one time. Of course this is all a huge problem considering the size of the population. China represents the largest consumer of coal, a network of nuclear power plants (recyclable) would one day hopefully replace this in our lifetime. It's been said that with the Chinese market maturing they are starting to outsource manufacturing to other countries like Vietnam, Malaysia and India.
There's nothing to do about it and frankly I don't care. Dirty people make for a dirty country. Much of their population in Hong Kong lived and still lives in dog cages.
There's nothing to do about it and frankly I don't care. Dirty people make for a dirty country. Much of their population in Hong Kong lived and still lives in dog cages.
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Originally Posted by barrel roll
What right do citizens of the US have to tell citizens of China what to do?
Let them sort their own problems out.
We have the UN for a reason, let it be ineffective.
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Do you all not think this will have global effects?
People made that country as dirty as it is; not the environment. Taking care of this planet is the responsibility of the organisms occupying it; namely humans. The problem is that China is a sovereign state and there's ****all we can do to change them. This is what happens when the environment is not a corporate interest to preserve.
I think we can all agree that pollution of this level is a bad thing, but as it has already been noted, no amount of discussion on our part can ever hope to have an impact on China's policies.
Lets focus on fixing ourselves before we go taking on that cluster****.
Except we move all of the polution and work over there. That way some hippie **** can have thier iphones and drive a prius whilepretending to be "green" because all of the smoke stakes are half a world away.
People made that country as dirty as it is; not the environment. Taking care of this planet is the responsibility of the organisms occupying it; namely humans. The problem is that China is a sovereign state and there's ****all we can do to change them. This is what happens when the environment is not a corporate interest to preserve.
Privatize the environment! WHITE POWER!
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What makes this interesting is that china media is admitting to the polution. I work with lots of Chinese and they say the government never admits to it. I saw photos a few weeks ago from coworkers that made Beijing look like scenes from Blade Runner.
no amount of discussion on our part can ever hope to have an impact on China's policies.
Not to keep beating an old drum, but your comment could also be applied to the little gun control debate... Yet people discuss it to no end. Just saying..
The problem is that the Chinese government media and businesses are one entity. There is no outlet to complain to that has the power to fix this issue. The best description I can get from my Chinese coworkers is their government is run like the mafia, and industry is their primary symbol of national pride. It's a situation like The old USSR. As long as Moscow was clean, rockets were sent to space, and the athletes did well in the olympics, they didn't care if poland's ground water was more acidic than vinegar.
America used to pollute like China, just in a smaller scale due to the lower population. The evidence is in the number of superfund sites around America. The old timers tell stories about swimming in the Merrimack river and betting what color their skin would be when they got out. (Chemical plants and tanneries up river in Nashua, Lowell, Haverhill and Lawrence dumped heavily around the turn of the century) The threat of large fines increased the cost of doing business so manufacturing of the dirty industries was mainly outsourced. China has been investing heavily in Africa so maybe their plan is to eventually move them there?
The pollution in China has been this bad for a long time. I remember in the 90s that Southern California was getting acid rain from Chinese power plants. My coworkers have lots of stories about it, similar to the old timer stories along the Merrimack river. During the Olympics they ordered factories around the country to stop production and power plants were closed to give the illusion that Beijing was a clean city.
It's a big deal and they're going to have to do something about this. It's a communist country though so they can make large sweeping changes more easily than here if they have the will. Look what they did to the people living along the Yangtze.
