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Old 02-02-2013, 08:36 PM #1
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Question Q: 2012 G6R / No Distance

2012 G6R, 4c, premium bolt, slp reg.

Chrono'd at 280, lpr / hpr where they should be.

But when I fire it theres no distance, its as if its 220 over the chrono not 280.

Just got this used.

No idea whats going on with it.

Any ideas ?

This is my first Bob Long marker and I'm ready to go back to Planet Eclipse after one game with it.



EDIT: Time to eat crow... Chrono'd the Geo+ and the G6R and fired them together to test distance and apparently I was dead wrong about the G6R.

Seems to be getting the same distances as the Geo+.

Video: http://s19.beta.photobucket.com/user...70216.mp4.html

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Old 02-02-2013, 08:43 PM #2
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What are you using to chrono it?

If its shooting 280 over the chrono then its going to shoot 280 on the field..
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:47 PM #4
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:46 PM #5
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triflo on the o-rings..
Try that, sometimes it helps a little.

Also, Try to paint match the bore. That makes a huge difference

Always use fresh high quality paint. the g6r doesn't put a spin on the ball like some markers.
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im sorry but if it is chronoing at 280 or whatever your limit is then it is shooting 280.....
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:37 AM #7
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But when I fire it theres no distance, its as if its 220 over the chrono not 280
I dont even..

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the g6r doesn't put a spin on the ball like some markers.

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Always use fresh high quality paint. The g6r doesn't put a spin on the ball like some markers.
Please explain?

Would love to hear this.
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I believe that some markers don't have a flat trajectory, rather their breach/barrel is angled up a few degrees giving the illusion that it shoots further.
Anyone wanna chime in here?
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:16 AM #10
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I believe that some markers don't have a flat trajectory, rather their breach/barrel is angled up a few degrees giving the illusion that it shoots further.
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Typically the myth of "Spool guns shoot flatter" is because the single tube design has a lower bore axis (meaning the barrel is closer to your hand) so the shot looks to be going straighter since you don't see the ball drop as far. Also some guns do have a slightly ramped barrel, I know people reference DM's a lot as being angled slightly upward when held also giving the same illusion. I'm sure some poppits are the same, I'd bet someone would say an Axe or a Marq shoots flatter than an Ego or Intimidator because of the lower bore axis but at the end of the day both of those balls are going to end up the same distance downfield assuming both are chronoed to the same velocity and you aren't using a backspin barrel (or underboring so tightly that you end up with a weird spin).

280 fps is 280 fps. No gun out there produces enough spin to shoot significantly further than another barring something like a flatline or Apex barrel. I've never seen any scientific test proving ramped bolt faces or things like that produce flatter shots (and I've seen plenty that show that they don't).

Perceptions of gun A shooting "flatter" than gun B are all in the user's head, at least that is my stance until I see someone show me physics explaining the opposite.
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2012 G6R, 4c, premium bolt, slp reg.

Chrono'd at 280, lpr / hpr where they should be.

But when I fire it theres no distance, its as if its 220 over the chrono not 280.

Just got this used.

No idea whats going on with it.

Any ideas ?

This is my first Bob Long marker and I'm ready to go back to Planet Eclipse after one game with it.

Are you sure you're not just experiencing shootdown? You might be able to shoot 2-3 bps at the chrono and get 280fps, but the regs might not be keeping up at higher bps. That's the only reason I can think of that would make a gun shoot 280 at the chrono but not on the field.

If it is shootdown you should clean/relube your regs and maybe even replace the piston orings. Also make sure your dwell is at 6ms.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:25 PM #12
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a few people where I play say that my g6r drops, I just think its an optical thing, as in the barrel distance/angle when held is different, thus looks like it shoots a different trajectory.
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Please explain?

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Such as alien invasions, They put a back spin on the ball, carrying it about 20% further.
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Such as alien invasions, They put a back spin on the ball, carrying it about 20% further.
Prove it. Take a video indoors (so no wind) over a chrono 1 continuous take at a target around 50-100 feet away or so.

Oh wait you can't because several people have tried to on youtube already and have shown that the backspin bolt is a load of ****. Yeah Jack Rice has vids "showing" it working but he doesn't have a chrono in them and he's not impartial. Until I see a vid of an impartial test showing backspin bolts working I'm going to write that claim off as manufacturer's bull****.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:29 AM #16
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There's claims with Alien's sweep valve/bolt that it works 100% as advertised, and claims that it's voodoo physics. I've never known Jack to be a BS kind of guy, but it's hard to fathom how exactly it would all work out. Now, does the Apex/Flatline effect work? Absolutely, and I dig the Apex for scenarios and big games. I just haven't seen or shot an Alien to be able to see if it really works myself.

Short of projectile, barrel, or other trickery, assuming standard valving, bolts, barrels, and paintballs, 280fps will get your ball a particular distance. Perhaps someone's chronograph isn't reading right? It happens.
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Such as alien invasions, They put a back spin on the ball, carrying it about 20% further.
Yup, and autocockers shoot farther too. Cause they are closed bolt and closed bolt guns shoot 23% farther.
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lol here we go^

Goinghome, it sounds like you have a bit of shootdown if you're losing distance after multiple shots.

Best way to test is by one balling and then ripping a stream.

Let me know what happens.
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People in the timmy thread are all ignorant. Im only coming in here when I need something. Same with dp threads. Everyone's an ignorant jerk
A lot of people buy into hype, especially if they have not owned the product. I'm sure more than a few people on here bought a G6R thinking it would get 2800 shots from a 68cu tank out of the box. But its nothing to get upset over.
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People in the timmy thread are all ignorant. Im only coming in here when I need something. Same with dp threads. Everyone's an ignorant jerk
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