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02-05-2013, 11:54 AM
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People are inherently social creatures. The inability to interact socially is detrimental. If there were a better society to join instead, surely that would be better, but not developing proper social skills due to a isolated upbringing can only lead to isolation.
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Milton produced Paradise Lost for the same reason as a silkworm produces silk. It was an expression of his own nature. - Karl Marx
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02-05-2013, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin
People are inherently social creatures. The inability to interact socially is detrimental. If there were a better society to join instead, surely that would be better, but not developing proper social skills due to a isolated upbringing can only lead to isolation.
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Didn't I already say that I had no intention of isolating the little bastard? Well, isolated from the narcissistic and neurotic herd sure. It's just a matter of the right - ah - community. |
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02-05-2013, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch
Didn't I already say that I had no intention of isolating the little bastard? Well, isolated from the narcissistic and neurotic herd sure. It's just a matter of the right - ah - community.
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If we are all narcissistic and neurotic due to the pressures of our culture and education, where will you find this community? Where do these non-corrupted people come from?
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Milton produced Paradise Lost for the same reason as a silkworm produces silk. It was an expression of his own nature. - Karl Marx
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02-05-2013, 12:08 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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Someone jumped onto the pretentious bandwagon this morning.
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02-05-2013, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin
If we are all narcissistic and neurotic due to the pressures of our culture and education, where will you find this community? Where do these non-corrupted people come from?
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If I believed that everyone was afflicted then I myself am afflicted by definition and this whole discussion is a spilling of fantasy cynicism and inflated self worth. |
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02-05-2013, 12:14 PM
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Were you home schooled?
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Milton produced Paradise Lost for the same reason as a silkworm produces silk. It was an expression of his own nature. - Karl Marx
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02-05-2013, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin
Were you home schooled?
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No I suffered the Gestalt. |
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02-05-2013, 12:18 PM
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But you don't believe yourself to be "afflicted"?
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Milton produced Paradise Lost for the same reason as a silkworm produces silk. It was an expression of his own nature. - Karl Marx
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02-05-2013, 12:20 PM
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The social ineptness perceived of home schooled children is the direct result of the destruction of the community.
Do you even know your neighbor's first name?
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02-05-2013, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin
But you don't believe yourself to be "afflicted"?
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Diagnosis is the first step my friend. |
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02-05-2013, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by barrel roll
The social ineptness perceived of home schooled children is the direct result of the destruction of the community.
Do you even know your neighbor's first name?
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Let me finish this. And yes I do.
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Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch
Diagnosis is the first step my friend.
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So, if you could go through school and are now no longer afflicted, why such a fear for sending your child through it? You started this argument by claiming that typical schooling leads to neurosis but clearly you believe yourself to be your own counterexample.
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Milton produced Paradise Lost for the same reason as a silkworm produces silk. It was an expression of his own nature. - Karl Marx
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02-05-2013, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by barrel roll
The social ineptness perceived of home schooled children is the direct result of the destruction of the community.
Do you even know your neighbor's first name?
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No, but we talk when the power goes out. |
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02-05-2013, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin
Let me finish this. And yes I do.
So, if you could go through school and are now no longer afflicted, why such a fear for sending your child through it? You started this argument by claiming that typical schooling leads to neurosis but clearly you believe yourself to be your own counterexample.
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Do you understand the role of a Father? |
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02-05-2013, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch
Do you understand the role of a Father?
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I believe I do. Not sure of the relevance. My claim was simple.
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02-05-2013, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin
I believe I do. Not sure of the relevance. My claim was simple.
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Ugh. Analogy time.
I get lung cancer. Reflecting upon my life I discover that I smoked a pack a day for 25 years. I recover from cancer, and wish the same fate never to befall my children. Time to make some parenting decisions.
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02-05-2013, 12:41 PM
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That analogy ignores:
1) the negative effects of social ineptitude
2) the growth from overcoming "the affliction" (no pain no gain and all that)
I could probably think of more, but let's start with those two.
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Milton produced Paradise Lost for the same reason as a silkworm produces silk. It was an expression of his own nature. - Karl Marx
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02-05-2013, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin
That analogy ignores:
1) the negative effects of social ineptitude
2) the growth from overcoming "the affliction" (no pain no gain and all that)
I could probably think of more, but let's start with those two.
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1) I'm not partaking in the Eucharist of binary thinking where 0=Isolation and 1=Inclusion.
2) I chose cancer specifically because recovery is not always a guarantee. |
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02-05-2013, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch
1) I'm not partaking in the Eucharist of binary thinking where 0=Isolation and 1=Inclusion.
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As far as I have seen, you surely have claimed regular schooling to be a 1.
*Also, binary simply means a predicate with an arity of one. Not 1s and 0s. Isolation and inclusion can be binary in themselves.
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Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch
2) I chose cancer specifically because recovery is not always a guarantee.
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But, as I just said, cancer is not something that can make one stronger either. Working out seems to be a much better analogy of this instance.
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Milton produced Paradise Lost for the same reason as a silkworm produces silk. It was an expression of his own nature. - Karl Marx
Last edited by TheSilentAssassin : 02-05-2013 at 12:56 PM.
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02-05-2013, 01:09 PM
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1) No I didn't. I only accepted your absolutist conditions once, in hopes you would understand my perspective since I know that we aren't going to agree with each other. I accepted that I was afflicted with neurosis and narcissism(whether I am or believe I am or not is irrelevant) to further that goal.
Let me make this clear:
I do not believe that the public school system is an absolute source of neurosis and narcissism that inflicts most of our society. I have identified it as a potential source with a high enough probability to make me want to avoid it. Simple as that. Stories like one I responded to are fuel on the fire.
2) No. It's my analogy to help you get into my head. I'm not trying to say that you can grow by being neurotic or a narcissist. The fact that cancer is not beneficial is a large part of the reason I chose it.
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02-05-2013, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by barrel roll
The social ineptness perceived of home schooled children is the direct result of the destruction of the community.
Do you even know your neighbor's first name?
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HEY!!! Don't pick on us home schooled kids
We were smart enough to convince mom and dad to school as at home so we didn't have to get up at 5:30 in highschool 
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02-05-2013, 03:36 PM
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HEY!!! Don't pick on us home schooled kids
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I rest my case.
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Really though, I think we are just at odds martian. If there is still anything you want me to reply to, let me know, but I don't see this going anywhere.
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