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Old 02-15-2013, 10:43 AM #547
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is the reverse threaded screw not enough to make you stop and think?
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:45 AM #548
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I'd tend to agree with this.

I'm also thinking that the advantage of having the valve and drivetrain in the bottom tube is that you are keeping people out of somewhere they don't need to be on a regular basis.

for maintenance after a day's play, all you have to do is pop the bolt off, run a pull thru and you're done.

With a DM, you'd have to remove the entire valve assembly, giving access to all those orings that could get rolled or what have you.

To me it seems like an easy way to help stupid proof the gun.

Think how Planet moved the rear frame screw into the frame, making you open up the grips and make sure everything was unplugged before taking them apart. This happened after a pro paintballer (I wanna say Nicki Cuba for some reason...) brought them a gun at an even with the solenoid and eye wires sheared off cuz they forgot.

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If you are too stupid to maintain a gun then you shouldn't be operating a firearm.

Also, it isn't a pull through after a days play. You will most likely need to remove the ram to clean it after a day's play and apply lube before you go out and play in order to keep it running.

Most spool valves use a lot of lube due to the amount of Orings they are sliding on. Poppets should also be lubed, but you can get away with more because most of them only have 2-3 Orings in the lower tube. Spools can have up to a dozen Orings that need lube.
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If you are too stupid to maintain a gun then you shouldn't be operating a firearm.

Also, it isn't a pull through after a days play. You will most likely need to remove the ram to clean it after a day's play and apply lube before you go out and play in order to keep it running.

Most spool valves use a lot of lube due to the amount of Orings they are sliding on. Poppets should also be lubed, but you can get away with more because most of them only have 2-3 Orings in the lower tube. Spools can have up to a dozen Orings that need lube.
Ion the reverse thread screw makes me question which way to turn it but only out of habit from owning countless cockers and Timmy's I always open grip panels when taking frame off.

Paper cut good luck with that thought process not trying to be rude but you can't look at it that way they will always find a way to own a marker and screw it up. If everyone would read a manual before they even play with a gun you would be better off but they don't and they wi continue to own guns until you become president and figure out a way then.
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If you are too stupid to maintain a gun then you shouldn't be operating a firearm.

Also, it isn't a pull through after a days play. You will most likely need to remove the ram to clean it after a day's play and apply lube before you go out and play in order to keep it running.

Most spool valves use a lot of lube due to the amount of Orings they are sliding on. Poppets should also be lubed, but you can get away with more because most of them only have 2-3 Orings in the lower tube. Spools can have up to a dozen Orings that need lube.
You break down your gun after every day of play?

I know many people that don't touch their markers for a couple cases - especially poppits.
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:27 AM #551
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You break down your gun after every day of play?

I know many people that don't touch their markers for a couple cases - especially poppits.
poppet*

and yes, I take care of my equipment.
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You break down your gun after every day of play?

I know many people that don't touch their markers for a couple cases - especially poppits.
I don't pull my poppet out every weekend but pull ram out every time and clean and relube.

And the many ppl you know are probably why most should stay away from used egos. Because there trashed and poorly maintained.
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:58 AM #553
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I gotta say I strip my markers down after every day of play just to make sure no rubbish has gotten into the ram housing etc.
Basically, my markers look immaculate inside and out
I don't re-lube the HPR/LPR - just the bolt and oil the rammer... depending on if it is a Spoolie of Poppet.

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My EGO 11, I had to service the HPR after 5 cases of paint... other than that, it was problem free.
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:58 AM #554
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poppet*

and yes, I take care of my equipment.
It's not like these markers are neglected! They're in beautiful shape. It's just not necessary to break it down completely after each day, IMO. Especially since we don't end up shooting that much paint.

back on topic... from what I understand of this marker, there's a total of 3 dynamic orings, not including any possible bolt orings (which don't count on stacked tube markers)

which is a total of... 1 more than an ego/timmy/nerve/pick-your-stacked-poppet? it's as basic (as far as I understand it, and in terms of orings only) as say... a DP G3/4/5/whatever-number-they're-at-now, a HP Ion bolt, a FreeStyle, a Techt L7 bolt...


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Old 02-15-2013, 11:59 AM #555
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I am only half joking when I was talking to a shop that due to the general lack of much to do wrong it will lead to our normal product base being the guys who won't own a LUXE because it is too complicated.

We ran into that with Cocker/Mags back in the day. Certain people just couldn't figure a cocker out, so they got a mag. It worked and ran just fine. So the less technical could figure it out. But if you were more technical, you ended up being a cocker owner. Some people you just hand the extra Tippmann you have. I suspect this will be for the Tippmann/Mag guys, and hence, our workload will be a bit more.

There will be some items that will have to go through a few generations before we find out all what the players break instead of ourselves. But that happens with most every gun. Though Cockers took a long time to do that. We did setup some of the parts to be very easy to replace and upgrade, just in case, and also for some fun aftermarket upgrades.

People screw up Tippmanns all the time, I am kinda curious how people are going to break this.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:11 PM #556
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I am only half joking when I was talking to a shop that due to the general lack of much to do wrong it will lead to our normal product base being the guys who won't own a LUXE because it is too complicated.

We ran into that with Cocker/Mags back in the day. Certain people just couldn't figure a cocker out, so they got a mag. It worked and ran just fine. So the less technical could figure it out. But if you were more technical, you ended up being a cocker owner. Some people you just hand the extra Tippmann you have. I suspect this will be for the Tippmann/Mag guys, and hence, our workload will be a bit more.

There will be some items that will have to go through a few generations before we find out all what the players break instead of ourselves. But that happens with most every gun. Though Cockers took a long time to do that. We did setup some of the parts to be very easy to replace and upgrade, just in case, and also for some fun aftermarket upgrades.

People screw up Tippmanns all the time, I am kinda curious how people are going to break this.
I think one possibility: you know the hole on the bottom of the body where you went through to drill the hole for the air to come out of the valve and into the bolt. The little screw on the bottom to plug that hole. I bet there will be someone who screws that in too far and shreds the ram.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:15 PM #558
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I think one possibility: you know the hole on the bottom of the body where you went through to drill the hole for the air to come out of the valve and into the bolt. The little screw on the bottom to plug that hole. I bet there will be someone who screws that in too far and shreds the ram.
Oooooo I didn't think of that...

Can definitely see some kid going "why won't my marker fire?!?! it only cycles part way!"
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See, this is where I kinda smile about this design and what we did with it:

There isn't a hole from the bottom for the air passage.

Don't expect this to be like anything you have seen.
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I am only half joking when I was talking to a shop that due to the general lack of much to do wrong it will lead to our normal product base being the guys who won't own a LUXE because it is too complicated.

We ran into that with Cocker/Mags back in the day. Certain people just couldn't figure a cocker out, so they got a mag. It worked and ran just fine. So the less technical could figure it out. But if you were more technical, you ended up being a cocker owner. Some people you just hand the extra Tippmann you have. I suspect this will be for the Tippmann/Mag guys, and hence, our workload will be a bit more.

There will be some items that will have to go through a few generations before we find out all what the players break instead of ourselves. But that happens with most every gun. Though Cockers took a long time to do that. We did setup some of the parts to be very easy to replace and upgrade, just in case, and also for some fun aftermarket upgrades.

People screw up Tippmanns all the time, I am kinda curious how people are going to break this.
Kind of sounds like you're saying the mag community isn't technical. They've basically carried their own marker/aftermarket for some years now.
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See, this is where I kinda smile about this design and what we did with it:

There isn't a hole from the bottom for the air passage.

Don't expect this to be like anything you have seen.
How about the solenoid? Did you simplify it? If you didn't who makes it? Parker or Humphrey?
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Just curious,

Why stack tubed spool?

Besides "being different " what are the design benefits of a stacked spool over an inline setup?
Going to assume they want the efficiency and ease of maintenance of a poppet, but the smoothness and lower sound of a spool balanced in one gun. Just a guess though... Can't wait to see the full pics and specs.
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