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Old 02-11-2013, 12:54 PM #442
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People are expecting the best features of both spool and poppet, like this is the gun that bridges the gaps and is the perfect marker. In truth it is a simple spool valve blow forward that is set up to be stacked tube.
Once you get more info I think you'll realize it's got a bit more finesse than a simple spool valve blow forward. I don't think 1600 shots per fill is out of the question, which is about on par with poppets these days. Might even be a little on the low side for an estimate.

But until more info is released, you can't change what people are going to imagine in the space of the unknown. Including you.
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Old 02-11-2013, 01:02 PM #443
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Once you get more info I think you'll realize it's got a bit more finesse than a simple spool valve blow forward. I don't think 1600 shots per fill is out of the question, which is about on par with poppets these days. Might even be a little on the low side for an estimate.

But until more info is released, you can't change what people are going to imagine in the space of the unknown. Including you.
I'm taking a "wait and see" position. Because so far most of the guesses(and they are guesses) have been conflicting. Originally I thought it was balanced, then I was told it was a blow forward and I was an idiot for thinking it was balanced, now I'm called an idiot for thinking its a blow forward.

So, I'm not going to believe anything until the gun actually comes out.

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I'm not calling you an idiot, I'm just telling you not to jump to conclusions (as you're accusing other people of doing).
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:04 PM #445
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I assume it will throw paintballs out a round tube. You can take that statement to the bank.
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I assume it will throw paintballs out a round tube. You can take that statement to the bank.
I'm going to go with cylindrical tubes
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:15 PM #447
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I assume it will throw paintballs out a round tube. You can take that statement to the bank.
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I'm just saying people should expect reality, not a gun that gets 2500 shots to a 68/45, has no kick, makes no noise, weighs less than 2lbs with barrel, and requires almost no maintenance. I'm sure it will be a good gun, and may have some of those, but if people are expecting more some supergun that puts everything else to shame by being better than every other gun in every way, they will be disappointed when it does come out, and will most likely say its **** because it doesn't live up to their impossible expectations.
That would be a fantastic gun, which one are you talking about? Not ours. I think we have stated ours will get about 1600+, which is really just a tube more than a LUXE, and it will be similar to a LUXE in kick and noise level (maybe not better, but the most common comment is that it feels like a LUXE) and that it will be easy to clean compared to most spoolers. We are not making outrageous claims, shoot; the Macdev GT gets 1700+ iirc.

The big two parts this offers is the self-timing and some simplicity. It is mostly just a new layout that might be the merge some people want. Shoot, we think it is cool. And it does shoot nice! Hey, a nice shooting gun that might have the right feel for some people might be all this it; I do think we have put enough thought into that to make it rugged.

We will be the first to say it is not the perfect gun for everybody, nor does it belong on a shelf as you have described. That is a strawman, and we are not setting this gun up to be something like that. We are not saying this will be easier than an Ego to take care of, is should be about the same, short of the LPR. It is going to be fairly light. That is what people should expect.

And we are not a big company - we are starting up. This will not be the 10th version of the gun. This will be generation 1 for production. Unlike some though, we have had running prototypes for over 8 years. The patent was filed 7 years ago, awarded over 3 years ago, the current internals we have been running with almost no change in design for 2 years. Now we are confident enough in our design to launch it.

The old adage is, you can have things Good, Fast, or Affordable. We didn't do this Fast. This is not a rushed design that had money thrown at it.

We are working manufacturing with a group of guys that have a history of making paintball equipment; they are not new to the industry either. We have been around helping other people bring product to market, doing upgrade parts, refining others for over 10 years while being store and field owners and related on and off since our first field over 17 years ago. We are ingrained with the industry.

We have taken our time, refined the design, improved it, simplified it, rebuilt and in the end what we are bringing to PBE is our first showing of the pre-production gun. Nothing more. Have you seen our motto?:

“Tech. Not hype.”

We really appreciate the excitement, the encouragement and overall well-being from the (we hope) future customers and the industry, even other manufacturers. But we are not going to set ourselves up like this gun is something that is anything like what is described above.

That would be suicide. This is a solid gun, tested over the long haul. We are not going to jinx it by making claims it is something it is not.

We feel this gun will speak for itself, that the technology we designed into it will be apparent, and welcomed. We don’t need to put this up on a shelf as if it is the ‘best-everything-ever-gun’. We don’t need to hype this to some crazy level to sell it. No need for anybody to put those words in our mouth.

We believe this will sell itself. That shooting it, tearing it down, and working with it every day the player will know and recommend this gun. That is how we will build sales. Not claiming that is it better than every gun before just because of an O-ring placed in the breech or the pressure it runs at or the slightly different airpath. We are not setting it out to be the greatest thing ever, and we don’t want and people buying thinking it is shooting straighter just because of made up claims.

This gun will sell because we will build a good product that is simple and smart and works. If we don’t, we deserve to fail. We are in this for the long term, and we are going to act like it. We are setting up slowly, working on a good network, working to make sure we are intergrated with the industry.

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Hype doesn't come from the manufacturer. Everyone is projecting their own fantasies onto the gun, and like I said the 2500 shots was a hyperbole, I figured it was such a high number that would be obvious, I suppose I placed too much faith in my fellow man. I am simply trying to say to those trying to imagine what the gun will be like, keep your feet on the ground.
Though, if you're comparing it to the luxe I assume you're pricing the gun around $1200-1500?
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Though, if you're comparing it to the luxe
No, by happy accident, the way it shoots gets compared to a LUXE. It reminds me more of the Shoebox Shocker, but not many people have shot that, so they say LUXE.

But hey, Ions can shoot that well, just seems most people just say LUXE. I am not complaining. One person said a Droid. It is a spooler that runs low pressure and has smaller surface areas then any of the above guns. It should shoot kinda like them. Nothing really remarkable.

$1500 - lets just say that is a bit high...
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I would think a gun like this would need to be in the $800 range to make it happen. I'm not picking on your gun. Same with the Vanquish or whatever else is coming out. Performance is key but so is price point. I'm curious again to see what price everyone is at. With the high end getting more competition, manufacturers are going to fight for customers.
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We where able to shoot one of the first versions of the marker Josh and his team where working on and it was...how do I say, fan-freaking-tastic. Smoother than a luxe, and butter smooth. So when is GO BIG going to be getting them Josh?
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We where able to shoot one of the first versions of the marker Josh and his team where working on and it was...how do I say, fan-freaking-tastic. Smoother than a luxe, and butter smooth. So when is GO BIG going to be getting them Josh?
Same here never seen the electronics and had a crappy make shift reg but the mech version was awesome smooth and made a sound signature like an old cocker. Smoothness would be like josh said like the old shoeboxes the weight made them smooth IMO, but this gun has a competitive weight with everything out today and still smooth it will be great and i cant wait to see what the did with reg and electronics
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I would think a gun like this would need to be in the $800 range to make it happen. I'm not picking on your gun. Same with the Vanquish or whatever else is coming out. Performance is key but so is price point. I'm curious again to see what price everyone is at. With the high end getting more competition, manufacturers are going to fight for customers.
Which is odd considering low to mid end manufacturers are raking in money hand over fist.
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Same here never seen the electronics and had a crappy make shift reg but the mech version was awesome smooth and made a sound signature like an old cocker. Smoothness would be like josh said like the old shoeboxes the weight made them smooth IMO, but this gun has a competitive weight with everything out today and still smooth it will be great and i cant wait to see what the did with reg and electronics
Honestly, if the final version is anything like what we shot 6-9 months ago, it's going to blow your socks off. The version we shot was essentially a partially milled body...can't wait to see what the final version is going to look like.
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I don't even know if it had any milling but it will be awesome it's so simple it's stupid seriously I honestly can't wait to get a hold of one shoot it all weekend then lookforward to cleaning it when I get homes because it will be extremely user friendly I it's anything like what we saw
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I was thinking a GO BIG special milled version...

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I'm interested largely on account of the HES. Looking forward to what it's used for, reliability, etc. Definitely a marker I'll be keeping an eye on.
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I dont know if the marker will be for me or not. I am interested in it though.
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