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Old 01-30-2013, 08:27 PM #1
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Still have bad FSDO with eigen bolt...

Since i got my NXT it has been an odd gun, not running at the pressure and dwell most NXTs will operate at. I have tried a he, tect, and eigen bolt. None has any drastic change of velocity and i still have fsdo with the eigen bolt. If i let the gun sit more than 10 mins between games, the ball will get stuck in the barrel, then i have to remove the barrel, clear the ball, shoot a shot, etc. With all 3 bolts the gun needs approximatly 200 psi to hit 300fps. It also seems to work best at a dwell of 16, at 12 i cant get over 200 fps. For the eigen bolt i replaced all of the engine orings with the included ones. The bolt fits snug but still slides freely. All bolts were also lubed with dow 33.

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Old 01-30-2013, 08:41 PM #2
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Is the spring installed? are you over lubing?
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:49 PM #3
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Yes the spring is installed. I don't think I'm over Lubing. I can try wiping off lube and see what happens. Also I saw someone suggested to use Dow 55 to help the orings to seal tighter. Is that a good or bad idea?
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:17 PM #4
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i wouldnt swell them since you say they fit nice and snug and the bolt slides freely. maybe your reg needs a rebuild? Also, check your solenoid insert depth. They could be threaded in too deep, which means your restricting air flow to the solenoid.

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Old 01-30-2013, 09:19 PM #5
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My hpr is a cp and i just cleaned and lubed it, it works perfect. I have tried other regs and get the same results. I will have to check the solenoid.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:23 PM #6
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ok so your reg is good, but check your inserts before you check your noid.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:42 PM #7
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Just wiped the some lube off the bolt and got no gain in performance. just a light leak out the barrel. So lube wasn't the issue.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:55 PM #8
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Checked the inserts. They seemed fine, but i pulled them out and wiped the junk off of them and relubed them. Put them back in flush withe the bottom of the body like the video says. Their was no difference in velocity.
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This happens with your stock HE bolt w/no spring?
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This happens with your stock HE bolt w/no spring?
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damn man, idk then. Just sit tight, someone will come by with the right answer.
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have you tired a fresh battery? also, what board are you running?
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:00 PM #13
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After trying everything i let the gun sit and sure enough, same fsdo issue. I have tried a new battery with no difference. I am also using a 7th element board. I dont trust its settings so i just bought a virtue redefined board. Waiting on it to show up.
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Old 01-31-2013, 03:29 AM #14
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When was the last time you cleaned and lubed the noid? Try a little tighter fitting o-rings for the bolt sail, inner sleeve, and rear 12 guide o- ring. Is it building up black sludge on it? If so its just not broken in and it will improve.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:27 PM #15
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Check your macro line/macro line fittings. I had one that had a very slight leak that resulted in me getting FSDO (or at least I no longer have FSDO since replacing the fitting).
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I just got the gun from fishballer so I haven't done anything to the noid. As for tighter fitting orings. All the ones I have in my rebuild kits fit the same as lurker. I did put some Dow 55 on all orings that come into contact with the bolt and saw no difference. Their is also no black stuff on the bolt. As for the macro fittings their is no leak so I don't think that can be it.
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Do you have a purging ASA? Also a gauge. If your ASA doesn't purge air up your shocker and take the tank off. Take note of where the gauge is and let it sit for 15-20 mins. Check the gauge again and if it's moved you know you've got a leak somewhere in the system. Macro fittings like JL1988 mentioned are a good place to start if so, they sometimes don't seem like they are leaking but it can be so minute you won't even notice it.

Also, one more thing, if your shocker is 100% degassed and you air it up and immediately fire it do you still have FSDO? I sometimes get FSDO if I let mine sit idle gassed up for a while, but if i degas it, then air it back up I never have FSDO. I attribute that to a minute leak somewhere in the system, more than likely coming from my macro set-up.
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I just got the gun from fishballer so I haven't done anything to the noid. As for tighter fitting orings. All the ones I have in my rebuild kits fit the same as lurker. I did put some Dow 55 on all orings that come into contact with the bolt and saw no difference. Their is also no black stuff on the bolt. As for the macro fittings their is no leak so I don't think that can be it.
I would think you would be more likely to get FSDO by using Dow 55 as it swells orings.
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My asa does not purge the air in the gun. So I have to take a shot or 2 to get all the air out of the gun. I also have yet to get fsdo when I first air up the gun. When I get home from work I will gas the gun up and leave it, then check the gun to see if it loses pressure.
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I also have yet to get fsdo when I first air up the gun.
I'm betting you've got a minute leak then. If you do lose pressure when you let it sit, try a few wraps of teflon tape around the connection where the macroline pushes into the fitting, if it doesn't lose pressure after this you know your macro's bad. If it still does you know to look elsewhere (o-ring seals, threads, etc.)
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I just gassed the gun up then degassed it and within a minute the gauge dropped from 200 to 180. I checked my macro fittings and changed to a longer piece of line to give it more slack and it made no difference. So this leak must be internal. Also how would this effect the gun if it is sitting gassed up between games? Would the reg still drop? I don't degas my gun between games, I just turn it off. What orings should I replace first? The one on the bolt is new, bolt guide orings are new. And the 2 in the can are new, and the one on the bak piece that slides over the bolt is new also.

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