[Tank Wilson]

Again, this thread could be moved to another sub-forum, but that wouldn't quite reflect the reality of our political landscape. Let me explain to those who need it why homosexuality is not a choice.

If being gay is a choice, that would mean straight people would have to admit they can physically be aroused by the same sex. Did you get that?

That means Joe the Plumber must admit when he sees a man in a speedo, he gets an erection, but it is his choice not to act on his desires. That has got to be the biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard come from the GOP, especially Herman Cain.

I had a gay roommate one time I was convinced I could sell him on some sweet vagina. Every time I mentioned vagina, he would yell out "OMG SO NASTY STOP!" I asked him why it grosses him out, and he went on and on about how nasty a vagina is, it almost turned me gay too.

(Some of you dudes know what he's talking about, eh?)

How do you force a man to love vagina? Answer me that, please.

You can't. No amount of Church, hypnosis, hell, even electro-shock therapy can turn a gay man straight.

But, if you still contend that as a straight man, being gay is a choice, then you concede you have achieved an erection at the thought or sight of another man.

Which means you're gay and holding yourself back from good times.

So, now that I've proven to you that being gay is not a choice, what arguments do you have as to why you should oppress and limit the freedoms of your brothers and sisters? You must show your work. Please no scripture.

P.S. I made this meme for you

[EvanActon]

to me the word marriage means a man and a woman. however, if you are gay it really dosent bother me, you can live together and get the same benifits as a married couple can. is it that hard to just be " legally bound"?

another thing, dont forget people get married in a CHURCH by a PASTOR. christian religon teaches against homosexuality, so why would you want to be " married " in the first place?

[barrel roll]

For starters, Christianity didn't start marriages.

Secondly, I think polygamy/Polyamory is cool.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by barrel roll

For starters, Christianity didn't start marriages.

Secondly, I think polygamy/Polyamory is cool.

In the 1800s The RCC temporarily allowed polygamy in Paraguay.

[Snake13]

Originally Posted by EvanActon

to me the word marriage means a man and a woman. however, if you are gay it really dosent bother me, you can live together and get the same benifits as a married couple can. is it that hard to just be " legally bound"?

another thing, dont forget people get married in a CHURCH by a PASTOR. christian religon teaches against homosexuality, so why would you want to be " married " in the first place?

I was married by a justice of the peace because my wife and I are agnostic, does my marriage not count too?

[OccupyST]

Originally Posted by Snake13

I was married by a justice of the peace because my wife and I are agnostic, does my marriage not count too?

^ This.

[Treghc]

Originally Posted by EvanActon

to me the word marriage means a man and a woman. however, if you are gay it really dosent bother me, you can live together and get the same benifits as a married couple can. is it that hard to just be " legally bound"?

another thing, dont forget people get married in a CHURCH by a PASTOR. christian religon teaches against homosexuality, so why would you want to be " married " in the first place?

So Jews don't get married? Muslims don't marry? People of the Taoist faith don't get married? Buddhists don't get married? Pretty sure atheists get married. None of these people do it in a church, nor by a pastor.

If you're fine with gays, why is it that hard to just "let them be married"?

Your church doesn't have to allow such marriages themselves, but you have no right to refrain rights from others simply because of a religious belief.

Anyone can get married by anyone who holds a proper license to witness and sanction the event. Religious affiliation doesn't matter. Marriage is a state-recognized thing, not a religious recognized thing. Your church isn't the one giving the tax breaks. You are legally obligated to confirm your marriage through a state issued document that is signed by both partners. If the state is the one that determines legal marriage status, the opportunity should be open to all. Government should not discriminate based on religious belief. It should work off fact and fact alone.

[TheSilentAssassin]

Okay, EvanActon was wrong. This has been adequately established. No need to berate the kid.

[tsbalr120]

Gross

[OccupyST]

Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin

No need to berate the kid.

It probably took him about a minute or two to write that bit about church. If he didn't use that time to think critically about an obvious flaw in the argument, he deserves to be berated with correction.

His "legally bound" remark deserves even more correction, but I won't get into that, as it too was understood/corrected to death in the previous thread.

[automagsrule]

Originally Posted by EvanActon

to me the word marriage means a man and a woman. however, if you are gay it really dosent bother me, you can live together and get the same benifits as a married couple can. is it that hard to just be " legally bound"?

another thing, dont forget people get married in a CHURCH by a PASTOR. christian religon teaches against homosexuality, so why would you want to be " married " in the first place?

I'll not pile on regarding the whole marriage as a religious institution vs marriage as a social institution, I think that's been thoroughly covered.

Instead, I'll just say regarding your "legally bound" argument of receiving marriage benefits through something like marriage, but not: separate but equal has never let us down before, so you may really be on to something with that idea.

[corporationpaintball]

Originally Posted by EvanActon

to me the word marriage means a man and a woman. however, if you are gay it really dosent bother me, you can live together and get the same benifits as a married couple can. is it that hard to just be " legally bound"?

another thing, dont forget people get married in a CHURCH by a PASTOR. christian religon teaches against homosexuality, so why would you want to be " married " in the first place?

Marriage in the United States represents a number of legal rights, not religious. Marriage equality isn't about letting gays get married in churches (don't see why they would, I'm not going to) it's about extending the same legal rights as heterosexual people.

You can keep your religious sense of marriage, I'm just looking for legal equality for my friends and family who are now second class citizens fighting for equality.

[barrel roll]

Originally Posted by OccupyST

It probably took him about a minute or two to write that bit about church. If he didn't use that time to think critically about an obvious flaw in the argument, he deserves to be berated with correction.

His "legally bound" remark deserves even more correction, but I won't get into that, as it too was understood/corrected to death in the previous thread.

Be quiet, evolutionary anomaly.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by corporationpaintball

You can keep your religious sense of marriage, I'm just looking for legal equality for my friends and family who are now second class citizens fighting for equality.

Cool slogan dude.

[tsbalr120]

Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch

Cool slogan dude.

MLK jr is rolling in his grave.

[EvanActon]

ill admit it, was not familiar with a justice of peace, i live in alabama and if you get married its usually in a church.

i never said gay couples shouldnt have the same rights as a heterosexual couple, i have a relative and several friends who are. however, call me crazy ignornant bible-thumping redneck, i just think personally the word marriage means a man and woman. not that they are any better, its just the word. but oblivously thats just me

[OccupyST]

Ask your several friends about your "personal thoughts".

[SupraSuper]

Since gay people can't have kids (which provide a net benefit to society) they don't deserve any tax breaks.

[F1VENOM]

Back to the adoption debate.

[tsbalr120]

Originally Posted by OccupyST

Ask your several friends about your "personal thoughts".

Not all gays demonize people who support traditional marriage.

[SupraSuper]

Originally Posted by F1VENOM

Back to the adoption debate.

Raising kids =/= having kids