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Old 01-28-2013, 01:34 PM #64
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Just a little devil's advocate.

What happens if say Heat wins the 1st 3 events then has one random bad event and comes in 9th of 10, then they wouldn't play Cup in the Pro division?
Correct.

Although what happens if Heat wins the 1st event, is relegated the 2nd event, plays Chicago in Challengers, then plays Champions at the 4th event and Cup? It's the same thing, just changed the order of events.

The reality is that if you get 9th or 10th at an event, you're going to be pretty far out of the running for a season championship whether there was relegation or not.

For example, if Heat had dropped the ball and gotten 9th or 10th at any event last year, Damage would have won the season.

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Based on what I have seen posted, this is a great idea for the first 4 events.... but WC should be based on series points... Meaning the top 10 from the season play in the Champions Division for WC... It just doesnt mak sense that a team could win first 3 events, have one bad event, then get bumped down for WC.... an event that is not just any event... WC is THE event, its the championship.

Maybe PSP should reconsider that. Otherwise... This is a very very cool idea and I cant wait to see how the season turns out.

Side note... I hope you guys are going to Webcast both divisions - for the whole event. Would be great to see the up and comers fight it out.
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The only points that count towards the season title won in the Champions division? or if you win in the challenger division does that count toward the series too?
Champions and Challenger both count towards Pro season standings.

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Old 01-28-2013, 01:38 PM #67
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You under-estimate the power of greed. When teams are struggling to cover the costs from event to event, I wouldn't be surprised to see something like that happen. I mean really, do CEP or Aftershock think they have a better chance at a win/check in the Pro or SP division?

I see what you're saying, but I am just curious to see how it plays out.
We don't play for a challengers check (which no one said there would be), I assure you no pro teams want to be in the challengers division. Ever.

Like Karen said, this is PRO, not semi-pro. Likely teams (based off 2012) here are CEP aftershock 187 xsv ton tons thunder and any new teams. There is nothing "semi" about these professional programs. All of these teams have already won whatever division was below pro in their respective years.
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So...since this is kind of like the millennium....does everyone get thrown into a hat to see who plays who the first event? Or do the rankings from last year apply?
My understanding is the teams playing Pro in Dallas will be substantially similar to the teams who played Pro at Cup. (Substantially similar = "Nobody sent me a list or anything.")

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So...since this is kind of like the millennium....does everyone get thrown into a hat to see who plays who the first event? Or do the rankings from last year apply?
Well at least I know now I wasn't the only Pro team in the PSP blindsided by this decision.

This is very interesting.
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What's stopping Pros from throwing games to get put into Semi-Pro in order to have a shot at winning an event?
You wouldn't throw an event if your sponsorship dollars depended on whether you were in Championship or Challengers, and it most likely will.


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Thanks for keeping us in the loop Lane. Ohhhh wait, you didn't!
So the teams weren't even notified about this first? Odd.


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so 10 teams in the champions division, off hand anyone know the average number of pro-teams signing up for each event last year? That would let you know if they are going to pull some D1 teams up into the "semi-pro" dvision to fill it out.
There were 12 pro teams at all PSP events last year, except Cup which had 14. There appear to be 14 Pro teams going into the 2013 season.

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Whats the plan for series standing? Where are these other teams going to come from to fill out the challengers division?
As reigning D1 champs, wouldn't you guys be one of those teams? Not to throw you under the bus, but I remember someone on TopGun posting on facebook that if there were a semi-pro division this season that that's where you guys would move up to. This new setup seems like it's perfect for you guys. You get a chance to work your way into the Pro ranks more easily than before.


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also the only issue I can see with this is if a team wins the first few events, than has a bad weekend and is in the bottom two the last regular season event then they get bumped down to semi-pro for cup even though they won the majority of pro events that season?
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I think they should do World Cup seeding by points over the entire season so one bad event does not kill it for you.
I kinda like the idea. You have to bust your *** at EVERY event. Now event #4 will be just as exciting and as much of a nail-biter as World Cup.


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Sweet concept, looking forward to NOT being in the challenger division...
Does that mean Portland Uprising is going to play PSP this season?


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So you're confirming that the challengers aren't featured on the Webcast?
It said their finals games would be. The rest of the Challengers games are on another field, and thus not part of the webcast.
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So after event 1, I will guess that everyone will play everyone in theie bracket of 5. Top team in each bracket will get a bye after prelims and the next 2 in each bracket will play to see who goes to top 4.

The one good thing is that the top teams won't get the byes in the prelims against the higher teams like they did last year.
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So what if they don't make it on the webcast? Who does this hurt?

There aren't millions of fans out there that need to see their team on the webcast in order to be reminded to buy team merchandise, or go to their stadium to watch a game, or some other way for the team to make money.

This isn't football. What is the webcast currently offering that is so important to the Pro teams? Exposure? What does that get them at this present point in time?

Even if they're not trying to get bumped down, I would really, really hate to be the guy who's spending a 1/4 of a million on player salaries only to have the team dropped to Challenger, where they are essentially considered a 2nd rate team.
I can promise you that every single pro player/team will be fighting as hard as they can to make it in the champions bracket, they play the sport at this level because they want to be the best in the world and purposely losing to go to the challengers bracket would be taking leaps backwards. The webcast is great because you get to show what your made of to the world. This is all really great for the league, I think its going to work very well and we will see some great competition this year!
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My understanding is the teams playing Pro in Dallas will be substantially similar to the teams who played Pro at Cup. (Substantially similar = "Nobody sent me a list or anything.")

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So 14 plus the Ton Tons for sure? Would rather see 20 at the first event if this is what it is going to be all year. What happens if a team tries for the 20 and then decides to drop?
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its not that they wont be able to play cup, they will play cup in the challengers pro-division instead of the champions pro-division and their points will still count toward season standings.
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Absolutely AWFUL move by the psp. Not very well thought through.

So a team can win the first three events then Have a bad event and then Not be able to play cup?

What about sponsorships. What if all empire teams have a bad event. Empire won't be represented in the main division

Players will be hired guns. They will jump ship once a team is relegated.

Terrible terrible idea. Step backwards for a pro league
Sorry to hear a pro feels this way. You guys had a good season last year for a new team, but you'll have to step it up for 2013.

Then "Empire" should sponsor better teams. :/ Why should we be sad that a specific gun isn't represented if the teams with those guns aren't performing as well as other teams?

I will bet money they will lock rosters in some fashion so players can't jump off a relegated team. Teams will have to win and lose as a team. Novel concept.
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You wouldn't throw an event if your sponsorship dollars depended on whether you were in Championship or Challengers, and it most likely will.




So the teams weren't even notified about this first? Odd.




There were 12 pro teams at all PSP events last year, except Cup which had 14. There appear to be 14 Pro teams going into the 2013 season.

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As reigning D1 champs, wouldn't you guys be one of those teams? Not to throw you under the bus, but I remember someone on TopGun posting on facebook that if there were a semi-pro division this season that that's where you guys would move up to. This new setup seems like it's perfect for you guys. You get a chance to work your way into the Pro ranks more easily than before.





I kinda like the idea. You have to bust your *** at EVERY event. Now event #4 will be just as exciting and as much of a nail-biter as World Cup.




Does that mean Portland Uprising is going to play PSP this season?




It said their finals games would be. The rest of the Challengers games are on another field, and thus not part of the webcast.

You forgot XSV.
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I am also assuming they will firm up the details and do some work as this season goes along to adjust to any issues that come up, you could look at this season as a beta test for the new division breakdown.
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Correct.

Although what happens if Heat wins the 1st event, is relegated the 2nd event, plays Chicago in Challengers, then plays Champions at the 4th event and Cup? It's the same thing, just changed the order of events.

The reality is that if you get 9th or 10th at an event, you're going to be pretty far out of the running for a season championship whether there was relegation or not.

For example, if Heat had dropped the ball and gotten 9th or 10th at any event last year, Damage would have won the season.

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It's really not though. Points are the same but we call it the World Cup for a reason, no?

regardless, I can't really say how good/bad this idea is but this seems like one of those ideas you take at least a year to develop how appropriate it is.
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At least it means that if you go 3-1 at WC in the pros, you would get to move on.
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I LOVE THIS!!!! Thank you PSP for making the Pro bracket even more fun to watch now. Now teams can just have a bad event they had to fight for every point.

Can not wait for this
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You forgot XSV.
Right. And Avalanche and Mutiny played at least one PSP event last year as well. Plus there are a few D1 teams that could make the jump up to the Challengers division, also.
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So who will be the other challengers? Some guesses:

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Are Impact, XSV, and Ton Tons champions before they are challengers?
The way I read it is that all of the Pro teams (Champs and Challengers) will play in the same group in Dallas, and the division between the two groups will be a result of placement at that first event. That makes the first event a very important one also.
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