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01-31-2013, 03:32 PM
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You cannot run a gun without a poppit spring, I really hope you are not going to attempt that.
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01-31-2013, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SKI008
You cannot run a gun without a poppit spring, I really hope you are not going to attempt that.
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01-31-2013, 04:00 PM
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How is the valve going to be closed without a spring? Just from the air coming in from the HPR?
I don't think that's going to work or else why would they have a poppit spring to begin with?
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01-31-2013, 04:50 PM
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T-MOB
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Gastonia, NC
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lurkerpb told me that I could use it without until getting a spring from him, it may initially leak when aired on, but once shot it would seal. He said he tips the barrel upward when airing it on.
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01-31-2013, 04:59 PM
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Read the manual!!
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: OK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SKI008
You cannot run a gun without a poppit spring, I really hope you are not going to attempt that.
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And why not?
I've done with it gen 2-3's and gen 5's..
Quote:
Originally Posted by SKI008
How is the valve going to be closed without a spring? Just from the air coming in from the HPR?
I don't think that's going to work or else why would they have a poppit spring to begin with?
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200psi on a ~1/4" surface is 50 pounds of force pushing on that poppet. It takes no where near that to close that popery by hand.
With out the spring the valve might float a little if it gets pushed out at a slight angle. The spring just helps keep the poppet inline and insure its going to return correctly all the time.
Last edited by gamer565 : 01-31-2013 at 05:12 PM.
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01-31-2013, 06:15 PM
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Interesting. Except wouldn't you have a chance of the poppit ending up misaligned if you ever tilted or shook the gun without it being aired up? I can't remember offhand how much space there is between the valve and the base of the LPR in a Gen 3 but it seems like you might end up with the poppit out of the valve if that distance is long enough.
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01-31-2013, 06:29 PM
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Interesting. Except wouldn't you have a chance of the poppit ending up misaligned if you ever tilted or shook the gun without it being aired up? I can't remember offhand how much space there is between the valve and the base of the LPR in a Gen 3 but it seems like you might end up with the poppit out of the valve if that distance is long enough.
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its possible but the seal/tight fit of the poppet oring has on the inside of the ram sleeve prevents the poppet from just falling out...when not aired up. obvoliously its subjelct to a little movement especially of he ram slides forward and pushes it but it wknt ever come completely out...may just get cocked a little bit..kinda similar to the gen 4 valve float problems when the poppet sticks open. |
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01-31-2013, 09:27 PM
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Right so wouldn't it make more sense to use the poppit spring and not have to worry about that?
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01-31-2013, 10:13 PM
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Right so wouldn't it make more sense to use the poppit spring and not have to worry about that?
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absolutely...but if you have en eigen ram and cant get your velocity up then no spring and good velocity is better then the wrong spring with no velocity...... |
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02-01-2013, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by wildspinx
lurkerpb told me that I could use it without until getting a spring from him, it may initially leak when aired on, but once shot it would seal. He said he tips the barrel upward when airing it on.
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He also said he is going to use no spring until he gets a spring from Lurker, so that probably means it's just a quick fix until he can get a spring. It sounds like running without a spring is just something that will work in a pinch and using the spring is the correct and ideal way to go.
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02-01-2013, 09:10 AM
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You will know fear.
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No spring is potentially best.
I include a spring that is barely there because it prevents the occasional problems no spring leads to
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02-01-2013, 03:46 PM
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No spring is potentially best.
I include a spring that is barely there because it prevents the occasional problems no spring leads to
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02-03-2013, 12:58 PM
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T-MOB
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Gastonia, NC
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with the pictures provided of the stock ram, there is no "bumper" on the back of it, is that a problem, or can I put it back in the alias with the stock spring? The alias is now heavily leaking (new thread about it), and I just want to put the stock stuff back in it, get it running, and sell it before something else breaks!
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