So I didn't know how to respond to these...so I'll lay it all out in the end, as I have throughout the thread.
Originally Posted by CptObvious
Heheee, someone had to say it.
And yes, people can change the government, that is the only thing that ever has (given a mass amount of people need to take part in it (OWS was a good start) but your media is so skewed it's really a travesty)
Originally Posted by Dark Side
That is a really piss poor analogy for choosing what to believe in.
LOAC and ROE tell us that "Blindly" following orders and doctrine can quickly get us bent over the proverbial legal table.
In fact we are taught that following orders that we know to be illegal will get us in a whole lot of hot water. Service members who commit these crimes don't simply get to continue doing what they want. They will be held accountable for their actions.
I just got back from a tour in Kandahar, Afghanistan. No, I don't kill people for a living, I'm in the Air Force and my specific AFSC is 2A676 which basically means I fix aircraft wiring and the environmental systems and am capable of doing so on any aircraft in US inventory. But enough back story on me.
You have shown you do not have the knowledge you profess to understand.
You can not speak of war and what happens to people simply by watching it on the news or reading of it in a book.
You can not speak of the reasons that people go to war as you have never been compelled to fight yourself.
You may not speak down to others which would give their lives for a greater cause than their own even if that cause can be twisted and manipulated through the media.
I joined because I wanted to do more. I wanted to work on aircraft and fly. I wanted to see the world (and I have). I wanted to understand others points of view and I have seen the hatred for thoughts that are not their own. I have pulled people off of a MEDEVAC chopper who can barely be identified as men anymore both military and civilian. I have seen what this world hates and what it is willing to do to fulfill it's wants and goals. I have seen the bodies of a family decapitated because they danced at a wedding.
Ask me not why I fight to make this world a better place for everyone to live in happily and unafraid of being happy but ask why you wish to not do the same.
The analogy is just that, I would never put my life on the line "for my country". It's idiotic.
Orders that are illegal. Sure thing bud. Your over there to kill (alright alright...not YOU in particular) and establish military bases in the area. The whole operation is illegal you goon.
I can speak of whatever I want.
I can speak of whatever I feel.
I can speak in a skeptical manner because only then does truth arise. Once you start believing, you stop inquiring. It is only right to seek truth. You can believe all you want.
That last line sir, is absurd. It is through peace (peace doesn't have anything to do with guns btw).
Originally Posted by the other one
Affects, not effects.
I don't seem to have a ford/Chevy/GMC truck. Or a sham wow. Or oxi clean. Or the wonder bra. Im not in the Army. I'm not in college. I don't drink bud light. I don't even "protect this house" with under armor clothing.
To say that the military branches are the only ones with ****ty advertisements is stupid. To say that a commercial will change the path of someone's life from a doctor/lawyer/artist to an enlisted infantryman is also beyond the realm of normality.
Take a commercial like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR_2tLsJuf0&sns=em
That doesn't look like a fun time, ya know? There's naturally some dramatization, but no outright lies.
Sure, I can stand up and say that.... But the question has already been answered in my mind. You, being an outsider and apparently vehemently opposed to my chosen profession.... Have no business attempting to be my voice.
And perhaps a unicorn lair really does exist in North Korea.
You're, not "your".
This is where I will end my responses, because.....
I see that your desire to question the advertisements of our military is simply a thinly veiled attempt to spout your political views in this forum. Trust me, it is not welcome. This is not the politics forum.
Here in America, we elect our idiots because the voters are idiots. You will not change this, so please stop trying to do so in a paintball forum.
If you post anything more about the government in a derogatory manner, I will report you for spam. Again, this is not the politics forum, and your desire to "educate" us on politics is not welcome.
Big deal ya grammar nazi lol.
You've never watched a commercial as a child and gone...I WANT THAT! Advertising plays a massive role on society. It's a/effects on the mind go unnoticed for most. Sure, you won't buy every product or do what they say, but it works. And that **** is just about everywhere. People are in a constant pool of thought on what to buy.
"MrMDanny 2 weeks ago
you guys are just a bunch of brainwashed enthusiastic fanatics"
LOL well dere ya go. Yaaa I mean the videos pretty cool and all...I'd rather do that stuff for fun.
Of course I'm going to say derogatory things about the government, its so closely related to the military, corporations, media...I mean it's all interrelated. I suppose while you tell em I'm spamming, also change it over to the politics forum.
This WHOLE thread I've been pointing out and questioning beliefs and norms of the US. Your smartest ****ing dude even says it's a terrorist state. Rightfully so, being a superpower, regardless, terrorist.
Rhetorical question coming atcha: How do you come to realize that which is true?
DING DING DING: QUESTION YOUR BELIEFS, be a skeptic. As Carl Sagan said: I don't want to believe, I want to know.
What does our society perpetuate? Bull****.
Religion (whichever), war on drugs, dumb things like celebrities, wealth and the american dream, grass is greener on the other side....IF you buy this product.
John Lennon gets it, George Carlin gets it, Noam Chomsky gets it, WikiLeaks is exposing it, Woodrow Wilson gets it (nice quote from him: The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy) among others
WHY DON'T YOU?
If your only ever exposed to NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX...well...you see why. I did notice a couple weeks ago, a more questioning news station, RT. They surely have their faults as well.
Did you know Iceland overthrew the banks which got them in the ****hole? Nope, won't hear that on mainstream media.
Did you know the Saddam Hussein statue that fell was staged? Here I'll google it for you:
And you guys diddle daddle about democrats and republicans. It's the same people at the top, it's the same 10,000 people distributing the tax money and passing legislation. It doesn't matter who's in power, we get ****ed either way. Speaking of passing legislation, how about them GMO's you keep hearing about? Well, you can't blame Monsanto anymore if your corn flakes make ya feel funny over time...google the Monsanto protection act. GMO's are banned in a ton of countries, not in the good ol' US. Your saying, yes, modify Gods seeds to yield more and be more repellant to pests. IDI****INGOTIC.
Ya, my post doesn't pertain to military, BUT I hope you questioned something
One love, lets get together and feel alright