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Old 06-23-2015, 01:59 PM #1
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new alien valve?

has any one had the chance to use the new morph valves for cockers yet?
if you have what do you think of them?

http://www.alienpb.com/product/morph...r-for-cockers/
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Old 06-23-2015, 03:43 PM #2
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I don't believe that they have started shipping them out yet.
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Old 06-23-2015, 08:50 PM #3
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It says it doesn't work on stepped lower tubes...does this rule out pre2k cockers?
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Old 06-23-2015, 11:27 PM #4
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They will only work in bodies that use 11/16 valves.
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Old 06-25-2015, 09:11 AM #5
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Sorry for being sucha noob, but how do I know if I have an 11/16 valve?
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Old 06-25-2015, 10:11 AM #6
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"Works in Resurrection and Trilogy type cockers with full sized lower bores – not for cocker guns with stepped bottom bores."

From that, seems like it won't fit any WGP based bodys that are Not Trillys...
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Old 06-25-2015, 01:04 PM #7
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2005 Black magic is also 11/16"; and in case someone still has one, so is the SR.
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Old 06-25-2015, 01:51 PM #8
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I just completed a full build from the ground up of a 05 Black Magic. I've been keeping an eye on this valve, I'm super interested in how it works out.
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Old 06-25-2015, 03:32 PM #9
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So am I, just waiting for the first reviews to pounce, sounds almost as good as an MQ valve at a fraction of the cost.
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Old 06-25-2015, 08:41 PM #10
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Looking at the valve again, it's possible that it might be too long for an 05 Black Magic body even though the BM takes 11/16 valves, due to the valve spring stop in the gun body. The only way to know for sure is to find the length of the spool/spring extrusion in the front of the morph valve. That's probably why Alien specifically mentions the Trilly (which has a full 11/16 bore all the way through) but not the BM in the list of bodies it's compatible with.
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Old 06-26-2015, 07:44 AM #11
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So am I, just waiting for the first reviews to pounce, sounds almost as good as an MQ valve at a fraction of the cost.
Basic concept is pretty much the same. Pressure balance + a tiny spring keeping the valve closed, then something disrupting the balance temporarily to allow a cycle. with the mQ, that was the solenoid pulling back and lowering the pressure on the back side of the valve body.

This one's still hammer struck *technically*.. but the hammer's remarkably light. And it also doesn't need a board to run the valve operation. So it has that flexibility for mech or e operation.

Though I don't have anything it'd fit, unless they do a 'normal' cocker body version (if even possible) - I'm looking forward to seeing some more on this product
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Old 06-26-2015, 10:55 AM #12
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I say almost as good because the MQ has less lock time and more valve chamber volume but it's also more finicky.
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Old 06-30-2015, 05:28 PM #13
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For size reference it fit inside a resurrection I would imagine it would fit fine in a BM as well, since both use the same sized springs.
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Old 07-01-2015, 07:12 AM #14
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Old 07-01-2015, 08:33 AM #15
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Will this fit the KPlll pump?
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Will this fit the KPlll pump?
Yes, but you'll have to experiment with the setup. The included hammer won't work obviously. According to a source who has experimented with the prototype it fits....

"Fits:
Empire Resurrections and Sniper Pump Gun
AKA (Akalmp) Merlin body cockers (Splat attack, Old Works, PL, JMJ)
AKA Vik and Excal (not tested but the same valve as a merlin)
WGP Trilogy, Jeff Ore Sig cockers, 2K5 Black Magic
Zforce cocker (not tested)
Some CCM pumps SS-25 and any that have the 11/16" valve (not tested)
Azodin KP3 Kaos Pump (not tested)"

Being an 11/16" valve you could probably even throw it in a pump converted spyder, though it's anyone's guess how that would turn out (but I bet it would be fun to find out )
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Old 07-02-2015, 07:20 PM #17
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I know I am going to test one out. I have heard good things about it.
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