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Old 01-22-2013, 01:15 PM #22
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:43 PM #23
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I got an idea. How about we stop looking at the abortion issue through the eyes of religion and instead look at it like a morality issue.
There's a difference between religion and morality?

Seriously though, this topic is so intermingled between religion and politics that it would be near impossible to seperate them. If this same thread were in the Religion Forum, somebody would prolly say that it belongs in the Politics Forum.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:07 PM #24
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I got an idea. How about we stop looking at the abortion issue through the eyes of religion and instead look at it like a morality issue.
Okay. Morally, we can all agree that murder is wrong except in the case of self-defense. Murder is viewed as the killing of another human being. So we must define a human being. Do we classify based upon morphology? If it looks like a baby human being, it's a baby human being?
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:23 PM #25
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Okay. Morally, we can all agree that murder is wrong except in the case of self-defense. Murder is viewed as the killing of another human being. So we must define a human being. Do we classify based upon morphology? If it looks like a baby human being, it's a baby human being?
if it can survive outside the womb then it's no different than you or i
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I got an idea. How about we stop looking at the abortion issue through the eyes of religion and instead look at it like a morality issue.
Which morality? Christian morals? Life (Human) beginning at conception is largely a religious belief. If there's no such thing as an eternal soul, then what does it matter if a micro-organism isn't allowed to develop/grow into animal/human form?

Now I don't support 3rd trimester abortions, nor do I find the idea of an abortion at all pleasant. It's an ugly and difficult procedure. But this is a civil rights issue of whether or not a women is allowed to choose this medical procedure for herself. We can't make it a moral argument without involving religious beliefs. We should strive to protect the right of the citizen, and not force unwanted/unprepared for children into existence, just because the idea of the fertilized egg being denied the time to reach the human stage is unpleasant.
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intent shouldn't define the definition of life

What i mean by that is if you push a first trimester expecting mother down the stairs and she loses her child you can be charged.

Just because that mother intends on birthing the child it's now manslaughter. But, if that same mother aborted the child it's ok.
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Okay. Morally, we can all agree that murder is wrong except in the case of self-defense. Murder is viewed as the killing of another human being. So we must define a human being. Do we classify based upon morphology? If it looks like a baby human being, it's a baby human being?
I don't agree that killing anything is always wrong outside of self defense
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Okay, so what are exceptions that are acceptable?
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The, yeah baby we killed a baby, lets do it again...video!

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The opinions of Zeus and Shiva aside, its a little silly to be getting an abortion at 6 months. I'm a procrastinator but come on now.
I'd like to see some number breakdowns showing why the abortions are taking place that late into the pregnancy.
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What an absolute crock of ****. The dichotomy of promoting gun control to protect 'the children', then turn around and support late-term abortions is hypocritical.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:19 PM #34
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What an absolute crock of ****. The dichotomy of promoting gun control to protect 'the children', then turn around and support late-term abortions is hypocritical.
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intent shouldn't define the definition of life

What i mean by that is if you push a first trimester expecting mother down the stairs and she loses her child you can be charged.

Just because that mother intends on birthing the child it's now manslaughter. But, if that same mother aborted the child it's ok.
The mother's will and intent certainly does matter. The organism is still a part of her body, so it is her choice how to treat it. Left alone, the mother's womb will grow a human child. So to take that from her by pushing her down the stairs, you rob her of her child, which she is likely making big changes in her life to accommodate once born. However, if she chooses to have an abortion, then she is making her choice not to be a mother. It's all about a women's right to choose, and not your right to dictate her moral standing.

You don't have to like that people get abortions, and you certainly don't have to personally go down that path if it goes against your morals. But don't impose your morals and religious beliefs by law onto others. The decision is between the mother and her doctors.
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What an absolute crock of ****. The dichotomy of promoting gun control to protect 'the children', then turn around and support late-term abortions is hypocritical.
If those are at odds with each other, would it not also be hypocritical to stand against abortions but not support gun control?
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If those are at odds with each other, would it not also be hypocritical to stand against abortions but not support gun control?
Oddly fitting for this forum.

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If those are at odds with each other, would it not also be hypocritical to stand against abortions but not support gun control?
One emotional argument for another? The right does not make the absurd assumption that gun control will protect children in such cases. As someone else used to say in here, the left and the right are not mirror reflections of each other. Along that line how has the left reconciled gun control with the right to die?
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The right does not make the absurd assumption that gun control will protect children in such cases. As someone else used to say in here, the left and the right are not mirror reflections of each other. Along that line how has the left reconciled gun control with the right to die?
the left doesn't make that absurd assumption either since it doesn't assume "life" begins at conception
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the left doesn't make that absurd assumption either since it doesn't assume "life" begins at conception
And thus it denies reason, the very humanity it attempts to so knowingly lord over from cradle to death. Because it's soooo much easier just to label a specific portion of the human cycle than to deal with the responsibility of having children. Get real.

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