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Old 01-23-2013, 11:44 AM #421
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I will say it again, the NPPL just needs to hurry up and die.

PSP becomes the main series.

All paint manufacturers should be allowed to sell their paint (equal sponsorship prices).

Expand PSP to more events to replace lost NPPL locations.

= Win for everyone

Except the NPPL, but I think the 2 series are unsustainable and one will surely have to go at some point.
I agree. Having one unified league means progress.

I would like to see PSP events double. Make half the events "Major" events and half "Minor" events. Run a Major league points total and a Minor league points total. Let the Pros compete for points in the Major events and just event prizes in the Minor events. Everyone else can enter in both Major and Minor in their division and a points total for each is done at the end of the year.

That setup gives the pros a series to play in and make decisions based on season long points as well as events they can go to and simply pull out all the stops, make the crazy moves, and gamble for a win. It also allows those on a tighter budget to enter into a points series that isn't a financial burden as well as gives twice the opportunity to play a given format if the finances allow it. It will help distribute additional players if the NPPL folds as well.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:59 AM #422
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There is more to the whole entire thing that people forget .
It's more than leagues and sponsors and paintball at all .
These Guys are all rich . Flat out. if your a owner of any kind your surly not the guy on the corner begging for change . This is greed and money added in with the killer instinct to rid the leagues of eachother for the simplicity of competition.
Last season everyone boy Cotted paint being sold at nppl.
NPPL signed with valken exclusively but also let a smaller company called apx sell paint as well. .... Valken never had a monopoly . It was players choice to buy their paint. Furthermore, even after they said the NPPL was dyeing it still held 4 tournaments at a national level which included pro division down to d4 seven man and 5 man along with pump.

The venues may look smaller and the attendance my reflect a decrease but how come nppl still has 4 dates for a national series this year?

How come everyone's attacking Geno for being a smart business man ?


At this point the leagues pure greed of holding the exclusive title of being the premier league blocks their vision to enstill a better format for one single league and a brighter future to advance younger teams.

There will come a time these "star" players get old and these successful companies drop out . You see it time and time again.


Blame who you like . It's money and greed that stop the sport from advancing.
All this coming from a man sponsored by valken.....
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Fact: there have always been two paintball leagues since i have been playing, Yes in 2009 there was the USpl. Paintball is still around today and so are both leagues

Fact: Valken will not be selling paint at PSP
Fact: EMpire and GI will not be selling paint at NPPL

Well that about wraps up this story
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:23 PM #424
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There is no way all teams in a div. can make 6-10 events a year....
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I would like to see PSP events double. Make half the events "Major" events and half "Minor" events.
Can we have 8 events a year and have your best 6 events count toward a series total. Since we're all throwing our ideas in for a future one league that hasn't happened yet.
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Personally, I'd feel slighted if an event I could attend was considered a "minor" event. Even if the points are the same, the name itself is derogatory toward the event itself, the venue, and the teams attending.

But that's just me.
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I agree. Having one unified league means progress.

I would like to see PSP events double. Make half the events "Major" events and half "Minor" events. Run a Major league points total and a Minor league points total. Let the Pros compete for points in the Major events and just event prizes in the Minor events. Everyone else can enter in both Major and Minor in their division and a points total for each is done at the end of the year.

That setup gives the pros a series to play in and make decisions based on season long points as well as events they can go to and simply pull out all the stops, make the crazy moves, and gamble for a win. It also allows those on a tighter budget to enter into a points series that isn't a financial burden as well as gives twice the opportunity to play a given format if the finances allow it. It will help distribute additional players if the NPPL folds as well.
What's the point? Since teams obviously aren't going to be flying in to play minor events, you will only be playing teams that are within driving distance. PSP affiliates and local events already serve this purpose.
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:39 PM #427
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You are not seeing my point. You are making up statements that are not in the article you quoted.
Have you seen a contract between Valken and the NPPL? Does it state contractually that Valken has the exclusive? Or, do they just have it because Kee/GI have told the NPPL to kick rocks and the NPPL knows that Valken is the only one left and therefor the “exclusive” dealer.
I prefer the PSP but as a Mod on this forum people expect you not to make inflammatory statements that you do not know to be a fact. You sir do not know what you said to be a fact.

However you are correct about what you said about Raehl. Of all the people that have posted here he probably knows the most of the story.
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They said if you Dump NPPL we will let you in the PSP
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Extortion?? Wow! Glad I have it recorded.
I asked Gino -

"What exactly is going on with the PSP? Did they really call you and attempt to extort you by telling you if you pull out of the NPPL and pay an extra $10,000, that they would let you sell in their series?"

Ginos reply via Facebook is - "Yes."
Definition of extortion

He went out and screamed extortion over an OPTIONAL OFFER WITH NO CONSEQUENCE FOR DECLINING. He publicly called the PSP a criminal enterprise over this. This is a guy that funds the NPPL. He is the rough equivalent of KEE for the PSP, and he's going around on a ****ing facebook account posting comments like this in an attempt to mislead the paintball community. You don't see a problem with major industry players pulling this crap? You don't see how inflammatory it is to put something so one sided and dishonest in news? I don't see KEE or GI doing this. I don't see them saying "the NPPL offered us an optional invitation to sell our paint at their events. EXTORTION! ****ING EXTORTION!" - because professionals just don't do that. They take care of business behind closed doors and they don't burn bridges over an offer of participation.

You're still missing the bigger picture here. It doesn't matter if KEE/GI attempted to sell at the NPPL. Whether the NPPL made the announcement to save face or they really did want to say **** you to KEE and GI makes no difference in the context of what Gino did. A day after the NPPL publicly announced that they're closing the door on PSP paint vendors at their events this season, Gino claimed the PSP extorted him with an optional offer from the to let him in. That alone is enough to show that this thread is grossly misleading. See this for what it is: a publicity stunt by a guy that bet on the wrong horse.


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Where is this announcement, because I have yet to read it?
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show me the link where the NPPL stated that "PSP vendors will not be allowed to sell paint at NPPL events" NPPL offered to all paint vendors so they didn't ban anybody like you say.

is the PSP going to offer the same gratitude towards Valken pro team?
http://68caliber.com/2013/01/15/nppl...fficial-paint/

I can only hope that the PSP will say no, you cannot bring non-sponsor paint to our events. The pro teams will inevitably drop Valken and sign on with KEE/GI.
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http://68caliber.com/2013/01/15/nppl...fficial-paint/

I can only hope that the PSP will say no, you cannot bring non-sponsor paint to our events. The pro teams will inevitably drop Valken and sign on with KEE/GI.
No where does that article does it say exactly what you said. you were twisting it how you wanted it to sound, just like how a liberal or conservative blows everything up and out of proportion.

all you appear to be is just another hater of a company, which is fine but don't make up words that were never quoted and use them as your argument.

again, nppl offered an paint sponsorships to and valken was the only one to buy in is all that means.

and if Lane Wright and the PSP is all about the growth of paintball and not focused on crushing a certain company, why would he be out to hurt Valken sponsored teams? I don't think he is out to hurt them and I do believe he is all about the growth of the sport, but it's KEE, DYE, and GI making these decisions.

A while back i believe it was John that through up a post either on here or facebook relating to World cup summarizing Dave Y. commenting on any company that supports the NPPL will not be escorted off of the WC premisis
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No where does that article does it say exactly what you said. you were twisting it how you wanted it to sound, just like how a liberal or conservative blows everything up and out of proportion.

all you appear to be is just another hater of a company, which is fine but don't make up words that were never quoted and use them as your argument.

again, nppl offered an paint sponsorships to and valken was the only one to buy in is all that means.

and if Lane Wright and the PSP is all about the growth of paintball and not focused on crushing a certain company, why would he be out to hurt Valken sponsored teams? I don't think he is out to hurt them and I do believe he is all about the growth of the sport, but it's KEE, DYE, and GI making these decisions.

A while back i believe it was John that through up a post either on here or facebook relating to World cup summarizing Dave Y. commenting on any company that supports the NPPL will not be escorted off of the WC premisis
As of that announcement, it means that the window of opportunity has closed for PSP vendors. Whether they were offered a spot or not does not change the announcement - it says that only Valken will be allowed to sell paint this season as of January 15. I understand what you and the other guy have been saying - that the announcement does not necessarily mean GI and KEE were blocked from the start. The point is that despite Gino's efforts to paint the picture of unfair treatment on the part of the PSP, the situation can at best be equal (all manufacturers offered spots in both leagues), not slanted toward the PSP. The NPPL is hurting for sponsorship dollars so naturally they'll take what they can get and the PSP, by Gino's own twisted admission, extended to Valken an invitation to sell paint at their events. The bias this whole thread is about does not exist.
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As of that announcement, it means that the window of opportunity has closed for PSP vendors. Whether they were offered a spot or not does not change the announcement - it says that only Valken will be allowed to sell paint this season as of January 15. I understand what you and the other guy have been saying - that the announcement does not necessarily mean GI and KEE were blocked from the start. The point is that despite Gino's efforts to paint the picture of unfair treatment on the part of the PSP, the situation can at best be equal (all manufacturers offered spots in both leagues), not slanted toward the PSP. The NPPL is hurting for sponsorship dollars so naturally they'll take what they can get and the PSP, by Gino's own twisted admission, extended to Valken an invitation to sell paint at their events. The bias this whole thread is about does not exist.
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Per Gino on FB on 1/19/13 "We are Only exclusive beause no on wanted to sign up other than Valken to provided paint. We than payed for three sponserships to help keep the sport going and this event. Last year was the same story. All the other paint compaines decided to boycott the NPPL. Since the PSP won't let us in this is a way to support our customers and the sport that we love. We welcome other companies."

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Worst argument/thread ever with this whole Valken/PSP thing. Man I've held back so hard from just calling people out and just plain dumb.
lololol, let it ride dude. Let these guys argue about non-sense. No need to get the BP up.
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Personally, I'd feel slighted if an event I could attend was considered a "minor" event. Even if the points are the same, the name itself is derogatory toward the event itself, the venue, and the teams attending.

But that's just me.
Call it an Allstar event then (like in NASCAR), one that goes towards prizes/money winnings but no points for the pros. The name is irrelevant. You could call it whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy on the inside.

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What's the point? Since teams obviously aren't going to be flying in to play minor events, you will only be playing teams that are within driving distance. PSP affiliates and local events already serve this purpose.
Why wouldn't they? You get guys to fly in to play D5 now. Maybe the term Minor has you thrown off but the idea is to have some events not count towards the season totals but to still count for event prizes. Think of it as extra events to make money, win prizes, and promote your sponsors. It lets those who want more events play more events and it lets those who can afford the minimum number of series events to still get in a series and compete. This is with the thought that when the NPPL goes under there will be an influx of extra players wanting to play PSP events.
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Why wouldn't they? You get guys to fly in to play D5 now. Maybe the term Minor has you thrown off but the idea is to have some events not count towards the season totals but to still count for event prizes. Think of it as extra events to make money, win prizes, and promote your sponsors. It lets those who want more events play more events and it lets those who can afford the minimum number of series events to still get in a series and compete. This is with the thought that when the NPPL goes under there will be an influx of extra players wanting to play PSP events.
I understand the term "minor" perfectly. It means "No pros, few (if any) vendors." Half the fun of national events is the trade show, and watching pros is a huge plus. Like I said, if the only benefit is the event prize, the affiliate leagues and local events already provide that.
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I understand the term "minor" perfectly. It means "No pros, few (if any) vendors." Half the fun of national events is the trade show, and watching pros is a huge plus. Like I said, if the only benefit is the event prize, the affiliate leagues and local events already provide that.
You clearly don't understand what I meant.
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Pitting for the pros is better. My only gripe is where the hell is event 4 gonna vex and why doesn't appa have psp Dallas sign up out?
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You clearly don't understand what I meant.
Then what? What is the point? Do you really think that Pro teams would play an extra five events just for ****s and the remote possibility of a little extra cash? Do you think that vendors will show up to a extra five events after attempting to force the NPPL and PSP to merge because they didn't want to attend nine?

Perhaps it's not that I don't understand, and instead that your idea is just shortsighted and dumb.
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So much ignorance in this thread... People make far too many posts showing their emotions and which league they personally prefer. Hell, this thread STARTED with someone screaming extortion... should have been screaming capitalism. Someone else has said that the PSP's focus is to shut down the NPPL when in fact, they likely chose the best date that worked for them and ended up on the same date as the NPPL. If they wanted to shut the NPPL down, they would book all of their events the same weekend. That would certainly be more effective.

If the NPPL dies and we are left with a single, unified league, then that would be progress. People talk about wanting to legitimize the sport? How many sports have multiple leagues in the same country? Can't be many.

The PSP has had their chance to show their hand if they were going to raise their prices as a monopoly. They didn't. The NPPL has been struggling to draw numbers for years. That has been apparent. Without seeing the companies books, not a single person in this thread can actually know for sure.

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Stop posting worthless posts arguing with someone's opinion. You're certainly not going to change their mind and you'll likely just wind up looking like an ***.

Valken will be selling paint at NPPL and likely not at PSP.
PSP vendors will not be selling at NPPL.

That is the only pertinent information in this entire thread.
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Okay guys, you're obviously looking too deeply into this.

The PSP wants Valken to pull out of the NPPL because Valken is a cheating whore and the PSP is pissed with Valken who left and cheated because they were stood up.

Does that work to end the arguing between people that don't know jack **** about the matter against people that do that won't make one bit of difference to the whole situation?
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