[rT159]

Everyone knows we spend a **** ton on defense and it's arguable as to how much is really necessary to 'secure our freedoms' and what have you. As a project I had to write a Research/Policy paper as I was presenting it to a client. Topic chosen was "Defense Contractor Fraud." There aren't many scholarly articles that have been published within the last couple years detailing the problems within the defense community so I stepped out and tried to put it together. Since I spent so much time on this ****, I figured I'd some others, even though I despise most of you, and get an idea or another perspective on the issue.


It's a little lengthy.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/133666464/...tracting-Fraud

By the way, this is my first attempt at something like this.

[Captain A v2.0]

I'm definitely bookmarking this for later in the week. I'm about to finish an M.S. in security policy and I am definitely curious.

[sucka T.]

If you are interested in fraud I have a couple of PDF's on pyramid schemes written by PhD's. Sort of related but not really.

[rT159]

Possibly after we get through Enron and agency theory.

[Cat Scratch Fever!]

It's only arguable until you actually need it. Then it's never enough. If your son was over there would you want to see congress cut spending on defense?

[rT159]

There's a difference in cutting spending on defense and holding contractors to a higher standard in terms of costs and responsibility and improving the structures overall. If you can limit waste you can easily cut defense spending and not sacrifice security and/or manufacturing capabilities to meet wartime demands. Now, I'm just speaking from experience here, the DoD could rearrange the military in way to fill the role in which contractors do. There is no reason to pay upwards of 5 times more to a contractor when the military carries out that same task on a daily basis.

[StellarKnight]

Originally Posted by Cat Scratch Fever!

It's only arguable until you actually need it. Then it's never enough. If your son was over there would you want to see congress cut spending on defense?

This post is laughable, seeing the ridiculous hard-on you seem to have for that ****head Ted Nugent.

[Captain A v2.0]

Originally Posted by Cat Scratch Fever!

It's only arguable until you actually need it. Then it's never enough. If your son was over there would you want to see congress cut spending on defense?

Yes.

[Cat Scratch Fever!]

Originally Posted by rT159

There's a difference in cutting spending on defense and holding contractors to a higher standard in terms of costs and responsibility and improving the structures overall. If you can limit waste you can easily cut defense spending and not sacrifice security and/or manufacturing capabilities to meet wartime demands. Now, I'm just speaking from experience here, the DoD could rearrange the military in way to fill the role in which contractors do. There is no reason to pay upwards of 5 times more to a contractor when the military carries out that same task on a daily basis.

On the same token one could also say that if the DOD were to cut spending by five times to said contractor, that the savings could be reinvested in other areas of defense to keep us ahead of the curve and to retain our military superiority. It's easy to say we need to save money on the military, while you are behind a keyboard, in a warm and safe home or office. When I consider that safety, the investment doesn't seem so large or substantial. It all boils down to how much of a price do you put on your freedom.

[rT159]

The price I put on my freedom? You mean the 6 years I've been in the Army or the 12 months I spent in Afghanistan getting blown up by roadside bombs? Maybe the countless friends I've lost? I suppose it is easy when I'm safe and sound behind my keyboard.

[Cat Scratch Fever!]

Originally Posted by rT159

The price I put on my freedom? You mean the 6 years I've been in the Army or the 12 months I spent in Afghanistan getting blown up by roadside bombs? Maybe the countless friends I've lost? I suppose it is easy when I'm safe and sound behind my keyboard.

You should have filed your complaint when the Army made you enlist.

[licence_to_kill]

Originally Posted by Cat Scratch Fever!

On the same token one could also say that if the DOD were to cut spending by five times to said contractor, that the savings could be reinvested in other areas of defense to keep us ahead of the curve and to retain our military superiority. It's easy to say we need to save money on the military, while you are behind a keyboard, in a warm and safe home or office. When I consider that safety, the investment doesn't seem so large or substantial. It all boils down to how much of a price do you put on your freedom.

wow, i could make the same ****ing argument for people who oppose social safety net spending...

[Blake360]

Originally Posted by Cat Scratch Fever!

It's only arguable until you actually need it. Then it's never enough. If your son was over there would you want to see congress cut spending on defense?

Offense ≠ defense

[Goshawk]

The contract I work for is actually quite a bit cheaper than the military doing the same job. We do the same job with less people who have more experience.

[Cat Scratch Fever!]

Originally Posted by Blake360

Offense ≠ defense

I agree. We should have learned this lesson in Vietnam when we got our **** pushed in the first time we started trying to police the world. But hey, war can make you rich in some circles.

Originally Posted by Goshawk

The contract I work for is actually quite a bit cheaper than the military doing the same job. We do the same job with less people who have more experience.

We need more common sense planning and budgeting. Unfortunately our congress and president have proven to be capable of neither.

[EPAPressure]

Originally Posted by Cat Scratch Fever!

I agree. We should have learned this lesson in Vietnam when we got our **** pushed in the first time we started trying to police the world. But hey, war can make you rich in some circles.



We need more common sense planning and budgeting. Unfortunately our congress and president have proven to be capable of neither.

militarily speaking, we kicked their *****.

[Captain A v2.0]

Originally Posted by EPAPressure

militarily speaking, we kicked their *****.

Fact still remains, we got our ***** kicked.

[Umami]

Originally Posted by Captain A v2.0

Fact still remains, we got our ***** kicked.

Not for lack of spending.

[scienceguy]

It all depends on what they spend it on. It's our government's job to protect its citizens. I'm ok with them spending money on high cost R&D projects and equipping the military for the unknown threats.

What gets people are the blank checks written to the politically connected. Or invading a country so that you can give no-bid contracts to your company and in turn subcontract for a fraction of the cost.

If military spending wasn't an obvious pyramid scheme, and people didn't need to send care packages of toothbrushes socks and deodorant to the troops, then maybe there wouldn't be complaints.

[EPAPressure]

Originally Posted by Captain A v2.0

Fact still remains, we got our ***** kicked.

no.

[Space Pope]

Originally Posted by Captain A v2.0

Fact still remains, we got our ***** kicked.

lolno.