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Old 01-17-2013, 08:12 PM #505
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...and what's that practice called?

Many .223 and 5.56 rounds don't fragment. Russian rounds are known for tumbling due to ****ty manufacturing, not by design.

Edit: I've viewed shotgun, pistol, and rifle shots into pigs side-by-side, and the shotgun didn't look any worse than the 5.56.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:13 PM #506
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Yeah, but mass will. No one ever opposed that bull**** here. I was praying they'd just leave us the **** alone since we already have it worse than almost every other state.
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They are much better than a pistol. Pistol round rely too much on shot placement. They are moving slow and they don't tumble. This is why they encourage you to use hollow points for personal defense. The hollow point bullets spread out the surface area allowing the bullet to have the potential to hit the right spot.

The lethality of a pistol is extremely low when compared to a rifle. There's been studies on this and some that paint the picture that the pistol caliber really doesn't come into play with lethality. It's really interesting and i'll try to dig it up for you all.
Moving slower translates into less of a chance of overpentration. At the distances involved in home defense a pistol round is more than adequate and the size is preferred. A rifle turns into a liability around doorways and in halls. Your second paragraph is skewed as it's a moot point from ~50ft and closer.
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I only defend my home with a 50 beowulf SBR
Go big or have a chance at a followup shot.
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what you're saying is defend home with ma deuce?
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I think I am going to be a felon soon if they pass this ****ing stupid *** law like NY did restricting mags to 7 rounds. Seriously how the **** do they come up with this stuff. 7 rounds is so much safer than 10?
The most plausible idea I've heard is NY didn't want to piss off Kimber and lose their manufacturing plant.
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what you're saying is defend home with ma deuce?
Hard for him to run away when his foot and hand are missing.

I can understand the limiting of 30+ round magazines but the 10-7 doesn't make much sense to me.
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...and what's that practice called?

Many .223 and 5.56 rounds don't fragment. Russian rounds are known for tumbling due to ****ty manufacturing, not by design.
I think your confusing bullet wobble during flight with tumbling. All bullets have a slight wobble just like a football has a slight wobble. A little wobble is actually a good thing and helps to stabilize the bullet during flight, much like an arrow....too much wobble is a bad thing though.

All rifle rounds will start to tumble when they hit the target because at that time the *** end is going faster than the front causing it to swing around. Different rounds will do this more extreme than others and some rounds have so much penetration that they wont' tumble at all when they come into contact with a soft target. Pistol rounds are too short and stout and moving too slow to do this.
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I think your confusing bullet wobble during flight with tumbling. All bullets have a slight wobble just like a football has a slight wobble. A little wobble is actually a good thing and helps stabilize the bullet during flight, much like an arrow....too much wobble and you'll have a bunch of issues though.

All rifle rounds will start to tumble when they hit the target because at that time the *** end is going faster than the front causing it to swing around. Different rounds will do this more extreme than others and some rounds have so much penetration that they wont' tumble at all when they come into contact with a soft target.
"Wobble" is never a good thing and your understanding of physics is appalling. They tumble for many different reasons, none of which is the "*** is going faster that the front."
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I think I am going to be a felon soon if they pass this ****ing stupid *** law like NY did restricting mags to 7 rounds. Seriously how the **** do they come up with this stuff. 7 rounds is so much safer than 10?
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I seriously dont know what logical human being in this state actually allowed this ******* into office. I mean...what the **** did people think was going to happen?
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Hard for him to run away when his foot and hand are missing.

I can understand the limiting of 30+ round magazines but the 10-7 doesn't make much sense to me.
7 is not really enough for self defense. I mean they tell you to shoot the attacker 4+ times, and its a stressful situation so very possible you miss. Besides what if there are two attackers? 7 round mag limit is completely stupid and makes no sense.
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"Wobble" is never a good thing and your understanding of physics is appalling. They tumble for many different reasons, none of which is the "*** is going faster that the front."
ALL bullets wobble a little when they exit the barrel of a gun....this gets into match grade ammo and barrel twist and all that other crap. Feel free to go to the military forum here and post about it i'm sure there are people over there that understand this subject much better than me.

There are a bunch of sites that go into great detail on this subject matter. I highly recommend you go read them.

And yes when a long rifle bullet hits a target the rear of the bullet is going slightly faster than the front of the bullet. This gets into energy transfer not being instant between the tip and the rear. The delayed energy transfer causes the bullet to spin around when it hits a target. Different bullets do this to different extremes.
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7 is not really enough for self defense. I mean they tell you to shoot the attacker 4+ times, and its a stressful situation so very possible you miss. Besides what if there are two attackers? 7 round mag limit is completely stupid and makes no sense.
I agree, I carry two 12 round magazines everywhere.

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ALL bullets wobble a little when they exit the barrel of a gun....this gets into match grade ammo and barrel twist and all that other crap. Feel free to go to the military forum here and post about it i'm sure there are people over there that understand this subject much better than me.

There are a bunch of sites that go into great detail on this subject matter. I highly recommend you go read them.
Please, point me in the direction of these sites that detail bullet "wobble" and its advantages.
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A doctor that practices in gun shot wounds. Tell me more.
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