Find fields & stores near you!
Find fields and stores
Zipcode
PbNation News
PbNation News
Community Focus
Community Focus

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-16-2014, 05:47 PM #1
pbkidminion
minion
 
pbkidminion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Michigan
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
Breech polishing?

Is there a way or somebody I can send a gun to so that I can have my breech on my gun polished? Reason I'm asking is because my breech has very extensive breech wear and my bolt tears through orings, like it's literally to the point I have to change the front bolt oring on my gun about every day of play or so....

So any ideas?
__________________
Adam "Minion" Pender
-Team Delta Ops-
-Hell Survivors Mercenary #77-

Sandana Owners Club
pbkidminion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 12:12 PM #2
cpt_crunch
 
 
cpt_crunch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
cpt_crunch has achieved Level 1 in PbNation Pursuit
If you have a dremel or a drill you can get a buffing head and stick it down in the breach yourself. You can also use some VERY high grit sandpaper and a finger to reach down in and sand it.
__________________
Christian
Senior Mechanical Engineering Student
Apprentice Machinist
Lover of All Things Paintball
cpt_crunch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:45 PM #3
ironyusa
in limbo
 
ironyusa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Dallas, TX
Got some pics? Also, try running some urethane orings on the bolt.
ironyusa is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 08:40 PM #4
pbkidminion
minion
 
pbkidminion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Michigan
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpt_crunch View Post
If you have a dremel or a drill you can get a buffing head and stick it down in the breach yourself. You can also use some VERY high grit sandpaper and a finger to reach down in and sand it.
I've wondered if using a dremel and a buffing/polishing head would work....

Quote:
Originally Posted by ironyusa View Post
Got some pics? Also, try running some urethane orings on the bolt.
I think it's kinda beyond the point where urethane orings will help. My main concern isn't getting more breech wear, but more so keep it from shredding through an oring a day.


And here's some pics, the first pic is the breech the best shot I could get of it, the second is the top of the bolt and the third is the bottom of the bolt. And the reason there's no oring on the front of the bolt.... It shredded a couple days ago when I put a case or so of paint I had laying around through it...

Keep in mind too that this gun has had countless upon countless cases of paint through it (although because of this it's the smoothest ego I've ever shot, and I love it).




__________________
Adam "Minion" Pender
-Team Delta Ops-
-Hell Survivors Mercenary #77-

Sandana Owners Club
pbkidminion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 09:16 PM #5
ironyusa
in limbo
 
ironyusa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Dallas, TX
You ever heard the term BER (beyond economic repair)? You're through the hard anodized layer so it's going to keep wearing.
ironyusa is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 09:21 PM #6
pbkidminion
minion
 
pbkidminion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Michigan
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
Not even with something like a flex hone (linked below)? It's purpose is to debur and finish cylinders (in this case a breach), something like this wouldn't at least help?

http://www.brushresearch.com/product-line.php?line=1
__________________
Adam "Minion" Pender
-Team Delta Ops-
-Hell Survivors Mercenary #77-

Sandana Owners Club
pbkidminion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 09:53 PM #7
new ion?
Uni Sucks....
 
new ion?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Victoria, BC
Find an oring-less bolt?
__________________
Closed Bolt Ballers

WTB CAM DRIVE

Shocker Owners

Jack Wood:
And I think that if you think something is bull****, you have every right to say you think it is. Just because bull**** is the norm doesn't mean it stinks any less.
new ion? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 09:56 PM #8
Goggles
 
 
Goggles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: outside your winow
Annual Supporting Member
What the poster above you is saying is that the annodizing on the gun was what made the metal hard and resistant to wear, and now that you have gone through the annodizing the soft aluminium underneath is exposed and will continue to wear only faster this time as you use the gun, even if you polish and smooth it.
__________________
IF THE MOON WERE MADE OF BARBEQUE SPARE RIBS WOULD YOU EAT IT? I KNOW I WOULD. HELL ID ASK FOR SECONDS.

originally posted by $acceleration$ "what the hell hows it your fault... its called a sideWALK not a sideRIDE-A-BIKE"

My feedback: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...7#post22315597
Goggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 10:14 PM #9
first out
 
 
first out's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Ohio
 has been a member for 10 years
I have seen this in so many egos. At first I thought these people must be picking up dirty paint to shoot through. Maybe the inception of speed feeds allow dirt in. Then, I have to think the very short bolt is allowing tilt up/down in operation and so the front of the bolt rubs more aggressively.
For example, my old Freak Factory Impulse has no o-rings on a delrin bolt and the breach wear is light. Possibly the anodizing is better/thicker than that on Egos.

In any case, this can be fixed, but not economically. You can certainly smooth it out. If very well cleaned you may even be able to fill in the gouges with an epoxy of some sort, but I wouldn't recommend it. The flex hone would work but I don't think it would be worth it. Just use sand paper and your finger.

If I was bent on saving it/o-rings I would probably bore out and install an insert to resurface it. Possibly use brass.

What does the barrel look like at the breach end?
__________________
first out
Custom milling and some anodizing.Photos of my work can be seen here.
My site
New feedback system thread.Please post here first for serious deals and to leave feedback.
New Feedback
Old Feedback

Last edited by first out : 02-17-2014 at 10:19 PM.
first out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2014, 12:55 AM #10
tyronejk
titular
 
tyronejk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Atlanta, GA
tyronejk is an NCPA player
tyronejk plays in the APPA beginner division
Either something else is wrong with the gun or it's just time to retire it. With more cycles (without grime/sand) the breech should get smoother as time passes. In your case, if the breech is getting worse as time passes, it'll probably continue on that trend no matter what. You could polish it, re-anodize it, or put in an insert (what he^ said), but I'm guessing it'll just be a temporary fix.

There's the possibility that it's only something simple that went wrong (like the bolt is tilted because of the bolt pin is the wrong length, etc)
tyronejk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2014, 09:28 PM #11
first out
 
 
first out's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Ohio
 has been a member for 10 years
Another thought I had is, what is that bolt made out of? If it is a glass filled material then it may be significantly more abrasive than other materials.
__________________
first out
Custom milling and some anodizing.Photos of my work can be seen here.
My site
New feedback system thread.Please post here first for serious deals and to leave feedback.
New Feedback
Old Feedback
first out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2014, 09:31 PM #12
pbkidminion
minion
 
pbkidminion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Michigan
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
Quote:
Originally Posted by first out View Post
Another thought I had is, what is that bolt made out of? If it is a glass filled material then it may be significantly more abrasive than other materials.
I know it's delrin (it's a techt hush bolt for the ego), I don't know if it has glass in it or not.
__________________
Adam "Minion" Pender
-Team Delta Ops-
-Hell Survivors Mercenary #77-

Sandana Owners Club
pbkidminion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2014, 09:44 PM #13
first out
 
 
first out's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Ohio
 has been a member for 10 years
I would put an inquiry out to see if other hush bolt users are seeing the same extreme wear in their guns.
I currently have an ego11 with dart bolt in my possession and it is showing early signs of the same problem.

The ego lv1 is not, but it simply hasn't been used much.
__________________
first out
Custom milling and some anodizing.Photos of my work can be seen here.
My site
New feedback system thread.Please post here first for serious deals and to leave feedback.
New Feedback
Old Feedback
first out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2014, 10:31 PM #14
nerve2030
 
 
nerve2030's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Beaver Falls PA
I agree with first out. Its just going to keep getting worse. Now that you have so much wear you have more of a gap that can fill up with dirt and with more dirt comes more wear faster and so on. I think It might be time to start saving up for a new one.
__________________
Mods I offer:
Ego feedneck mod
Freak boring (even shaft 4)
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3912255
nerve2030 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2014, 01:13 AM #15
MaG Adrenal1ne
#PlayforPride
 
MaG Adrenal1ne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sellersville, PA
MaG Adrenal1ne is playing at Living Legends VI
MaG Adrenal1ne plays in the APPA D4 division
MaG Adrenal1ne supports DLX Technology
Ive never seen a breech look so bad, damn.
__________________
INFAMY
PHILLY NOTORIOUS (R.I.P.)
SOFA KINGDOM
Bored? On Facebook? Come join my group Paintball Gear for Sale!
***ONE OF A KIND G6R***
MaG Adrenal1ne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2014, 05:18 PM #16
pbkidminion
minion
 
pbkidminion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Michigan
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
Now what about if I had the breach polished and then had the entire gun reannoed?
__________________
Adam "Minion" Pender
-Team Delta Ops-
-Hell Survivors Mercenary #77-

Sandana Owners Club
pbkidminion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2014, 05:37 PM #17
first out
 
 
first out's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Ohio
 has been a member for 10 years
You would have a slightly larger breach the bolt would have a sloppy fit in. It would look nice but may require a custom bolt be made. I'm curious what the chamber behind the breach looks like. Does it exhibit similar excessive wear?
__________________
first out
Custom milling and some anodizing.Photos of my work can be seen here.
My site
New feedback system thread.Please post here first for serious deals and to leave feedback.
New Feedback
Old Feedback
first out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2014, 12:01 AM #18
MaG Adrenal1ne
#PlayforPride
 
MaG Adrenal1ne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sellersville, PA
MaG Adrenal1ne is playing at Living Legends VI
MaG Adrenal1ne plays in the APPA D4 division
MaG Adrenal1ne supports DLX Technology
Quote:
Originally Posted by first out View Post
You would have a slightly larger breach the bolt would have a sloppy fit in. It would look nice but may require a custom bolt be made. I'm curious what the chamber behind the breach looks like. Does it exhibit similar excessive wear?
Not to mention fitting detents could be a pain in the A
__________________
INFAMY
PHILLY NOTORIOUS (R.I.P.)
SOFA KINGDOM
Bored? On Facebook? Come join my group Paintball Gear for Sale!
***ONE OF A KIND G6R***
MaG Adrenal1ne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2014, 12:08 AM #19
pbkidminion
minion
 
pbkidminion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Michigan
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
Quote:
Originally Posted by first out View Post
You would have a slightly larger breach the bolt would have a sloppy fit in. It would look nice but may require a custom bolt be made. I'm curious what the chamber behind the breach looks like. Does it exhibit similar excessive wear?
It shouldn't have that sloppy of a fit, should it? I mean as long as not too much material is taken off during polishing, and then most reputable anno jobs usually don't affect the tolerances barely at all... And yes, the chamber behind the breach shows wear as well, not nearly as much but it does. It looks more like normal breach wear.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaG Adrenal1ne View Post
Not to mention fitting detents could be a pain in the A
I don't see how, considering the detents are placed on the outside of the body, underneath the eye covers.... And the detents wouldn't have much of a problem fitting correctly even if the tolerances got messed up a little where they are placed.
__________________
Adam "Minion" Pender
-Team Delta Ops-
-Hell Survivors Mercenary #77-

Sandana Owners Club
pbkidminion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2014, 01:06 AM #20
C@mM!
Captain @ Canberra Ivy
 
C@mM!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Canberra, Australia
Personally, I think its time to retire it. For the cost of fixing it, you can pick up a used Ego 11, or any other number of markers.
C@mM! is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2014, 01:18 AM #21
pbkidminion
minion
 
pbkidminion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Michigan
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
pbkidminion supports Team VICIOUS
Quote:
Originally Posted by C@mM! View Post
Personally, I think its time to retire it. For the cost of fixing it, you can pick up a used Ego 11, or any other number of markers.
Unfortunately, not only is it my main shooter (has been for the past 3 years) and I don't have a backup, but I just couldn't justify giving up on this marker. It honestly has a place in my heart like no other marker has, and it shoots so much nicer than any ego I've ever shot, it's had such a ridiculous amount of paint put through it that it's broken in to the point of having the same sound level as a geo3/luxe (no joke, I did a shot to shot comparison with a geo 3 and a luxe and they had the same sound levels just a little different of sound signatures). I just feel like if there's any way to save it I'd love to do it......


And wouldn't a 1 color anno only be around like $100? For only about say seven pieces? (All the parts except for the purple parts) I mean that wouldn't be too bad, plus the price to get something/someone to polish the breach....



__________________
Adam "Minion" Pender
-Team Delta Ops-
-Hell Survivors Mercenary #77-

Sandana Owners Club
pbkidminion is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
Forum Jump