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Old 07-22-2013, 01:08 PM #1
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Spire vs. Rotor

Which is a better hopper to use?
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Old 07-22-2013, 01:55 PM #2
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spire 260>rotor>spire
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Old 07-23-2013, 12:01 AM #3
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Get a z2. If you run into any issues Kee will fix them for free 95% of the time
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:16 AM #4
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Had a rotor and liked it, dropped it for a z2 which i used for one day and went back to the rotor and then when the spire came out switched over and haven't looked back.

It's pnnation, people will always be a diehard fan of only one product. For me to z2 has too many small pieces and while it was a nice upgrade from the halo design I grew up with the simplicity of the rotor won me over. My recommendation is find one used in nice shape and use it a few weekends. Worst case it's not exactly what you want and trade or sell it for something else, and if you buy smart can do all that while not spending anything other then maybe shipping and even possibly making a few bucks.
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Old 07-23-2013, 10:57 AM #5
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Spires are great. easy disassembly, holds more paint than a rotor, and its lower profile, has a larger feed, quick switch between rain and speed feeds the list just goes on. only thing rotor has on the spire is battery life IMO

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Old 07-23-2013, 11:42 AM #6
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Sweet thanks for all the information! I have heard many a horror story about both the rotor jamming and the spire just plain not working. Its nice to hear the pros for both!
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:40 PM #7
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Sweet thanks for all the information! I have heard many a horror story about both the rotor jamming and the spire just plain not working. Its nice to hear the pros for both!

I had a rotor and suffered from jams, many people don't. I switched to the spire no jams and no issues at all and I had one of the first runs of them.

I think the pulsing issues some people are having are just teething problems you can get with any new product. Virtue stand by their product 100% and are sorting these issues.
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Old 07-23-2013, 05:46 PM #8
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Rotor...occasional jams on cheap paint, just get the the virtue soft arm if you have jams and you are done. After that I never had a jam again. The rotor is amazingly good on battery usage. I turn mine off at the end of the day and otherwise leave it on all day. Even then batteries last several months. Other than the LED the rotor is effectively taking no power as long as the ball stack remains under tension. It only runs when the ball stack is being used. When the batteries get low, the Rotor will just get sluggish or not feed well. Easy to clean or work on. The Rotor will just run making a humming sound when it has no paint in it. This can give away that you are out of paint if someone is listening for the sound.

Spire...smarter than the Rotor so it dejams itself and uses sound to activate the motor. Effectively the Spire is drawing power all the time, but uses more when the gun is shooting so battery usage is more than the Rotor. The Spire speed feed comes off really easily to swap for a rain lid and opens so you can dump paint in back at your pit without going through the speed feed. Low batteries show as an LED color change. Holds more paint than the rotor and a little lower profile. Easy to clean or work on. When empty the loader is silent or pulses a little.

Both loaders work well.
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Im looking to get a spire or rotor and from what iv seen there are big groups of rotor and spire fans. They are both great hoppers so pick the one thats right for you. i am prob going to buy a spire but you pick wut u want
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I heard in multiple reviews that the rotor requires tilting to get the hopper to feed the last of the balls.

Also, some people complained that when diving, the rotor just popped open, on several occasions. Maybe they got a bad egg out of the production line, which happens.
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Rotor...occasional jams on cheap paint, just get the the virtue soft arm if you have jams and you are done. After that I never had a jam again. The rotor is amazingly good on battery usage. I turn mine off at the end of the day and otherwise leave it on all day. Even then batteries last several months. Other than the LED the rotor is effectively taking no power as long as the ball stack remains under tension. It only runs when the ball stack is being used. When the batteries get low, the Rotor will just get sluggish or not feed well. Easy to clean or work on. The Rotor will just run making a humming sound when it has no paint in it. This can give away that you are out of paint if someone is listening for the sound.

Spire...smarter than the Rotor so it dejams itself and uses sound to activate the motor. Effectively the Spire is drawing power all the time, but uses more when the gun is shooting so battery usage is more than the Rotor. The Spire speed feed comes off really easily to swap for a rain lid and opens so you can dump paint in back at your pit without going through the speed feed. Low batteries show as an LED color change. Holds more paint than the rotor and a little lower profile. Easy to clean or work on. When empty the loader is silent or pulses a little.

Both loaders work well.
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:17 PM #13
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I heard in multiple reviews that the rotor requires tilting to get the hopper to feed the last of the balls.

Also, some people complained that when diving, the rotor just popped open, on several occasions. Maybe they got a bad egg out of the production line, which happens.

I've never had a problem with my rotor not feeding the last few balls. Usually I don't notice that I'm nearly empty until the loader starts humming. If the lock on the top isn't pushed down all the way, then the top can be popped off. If the lock is down, there's virtually no way to rip the top off the loader.
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Old 07-26-2013, 10:35 PM #14
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thanks for all the info. looking into the spires.
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Old 07-27-2013, 07:23 AM #15
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I heard in multiple reviews that the rotor requires tilting to get the hopper to feed the last of the balls.
I have had this happen with my spire a decent number of times but never with my rotor, bar some very odd situation where I'm shooting pointing downhill or something. Bought the ramp for my spire this week so will see how that works tomorrow.
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Rotor, proven technology... No gimmicks, just a hopper. Most consistent hopper ever. Spire will hiccup... And the constant spinning is annoying, especially when there's balls in the stack and yes, they do that sometimes. Spire is a little easier to take apart. Both extremely easy and waterproof. Spire has bigger opening but you don't need it that big when you have the pod ledge thing that stops you from missing super bad. Go with rotor. Look at pros choices, most are rotors.
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:54 AM #17
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Rotor, proven technology... No gimmicks, just a hopper. Most consistent hopper ever. Spire will hiccup... And the constant spinning is annoying, especially when there's balls in the stack and yes, they do that sometimes. Spire is a little easier to take apart. Both extremely easy and waterproof. Spire has bigger opening but you don't need it that big when you have the pod ledge thing that stops you from missing super bad. Go with rotor. Look at pros choices, most are rotors.
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Rotor, proven technology... No gimmicks, just a hopper. Most consistent hopper ever. Spire will hiccup... And the constant spinning is annoying, especially when there's balls in the stack and yes, they do that sometimes. Spire is a little easier to take apart. Both extremely easy and waterproof. Spire has bigger opening but you don't need it that big when you have the pod ledge thing that stops you from missing super bad. Go with rotor. Look at pros choices, most are rotors.
Definitely stick with the rotor. I have used the rotor, z2, and spire; of those three, the rotor gave me the least amount of problems. There was one point where my rotor failed to work and I completely stripped it down on the field. Turns out there was a swelled ball that would not unjam. The whole thing took me a matter of seconds and I was back in the game. Hands down the best loader money can buy.
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Turns out there was a swelled ball that would not unjam.
Needing to completely dismantled a hopper in the middle of a game is ridiculous. My rotor, and my friends rotor would just do this "occasionally" it wasn't predictable and as far as I know is not preventable. It just happens sometimes.

My Prophecy, and my Z2 have never had a jam that didn't auto umjam after a moment or two of hiccupping, and if ever the hopper didn't automatically unjam itself, I could easily have just spun the zip drive.

Rotors are easier to work on, but Prophecies and Z2's are plenty easy too, and are more reliable on the field. Plus have a better lid and are lighter. Not as robust physically, but very durable compared to older halos.
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if you run into an issue with the spire, virtue will fix them 100% of the time.
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if you don't want your hopper to jam ever, get a spire. people say that more pros are using rotors than spires? that's because rotors have been around a lot longer. spires are new and not a lot of people have had a chance to try them out. spires are so easy to work with and very simple to maintain or fix(if need be). virtue has awesome customer service. the spring finger speed feed is awesome and changes quickly. hands down the spire is way better.
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