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Old 01-24-2013, 07:26 PM #106
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Anything that gets people off their couches these days can be considered a sport I think. Sport is a very broad stroke term in this day and age.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:54 PM #107
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Now that we're pretty much completely off topic, lets focus back to the original post lol
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:29 PM #108
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Now that we're pretty much completely off topic, lets focus back to the original post lol
Agreed, we will discuss more at the field haha
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Back to the topic at hand... It seems pretty clear that the primary issue is money (hence my original post six pages back, lol).

Anyone got any bright ideas to bring more money into the sport? Other than my idea of getting kids with rich parents into the sport, of course.
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:44 PM #110
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Back to the topic at hand... It seems pretty clear that the primary issue is money (hence my original post six pages back, lol).

Anyone got any bright ideas to bring more money into the sport? Other than my idea of getting kids with rich parents into the sport, of course.
So are we continuing with HIGHER divisional teams still?

Where are all the lower divisional teams that are trying to become higher divisional teams?
Now money is much more overrated in this situation.

As far as nationals go, I think a lot of teams WANT to commit to playing a lot of events.
Before committing that far, see if you can place in the top 4 of ONE event first.

Try to win 1 before you try to win 5.

I've changed my order.

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Do we want to see more HIGHER divisional teams? Or SUCCESSFUL divisional teams? I'd argue the the latter will lead to the former.

In terms of national paintball, I see two ladders of progression: rising through the ranks of divisional play to reach pro, and once you're in pro you're climbing a mountain trying to reach the top.

It seems like a lot of people want to bypass that first bit and jump straight into Pro. You guys, 187 cRew, are lauded for being a Pro team now, but I think it's more important that you guys put in the time in divisional play and were highly successful doing so. I think if there's anything players in New England should mimic about 187, it's the slow, successful progression through the divisional ranks and your solid work ethic. That all seems to be overshadowed by the word "PRO" now, though.

If there was a formula for being a successful team, I'd say it would involve playing one or more seasons locally together, with minimal roster changes, so you can build yourselves into a solid, winning team. THEN start nationally at the bottom of the ladder and work your way up.

I think there's enough talent in New England to build a few successful D3 teams. It's just a matter of having the right organization.
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So are we continuing with HIGHER divisional teams still?

Where are all the lower divisional teams that are trying to become higher divisional teams?
Now money is much more overrated in this situation.

As far as nationals go, I think a lot of teams WANT to commit to playing a lot of events.
Before committing that far, see if you can place in the top 4 of ONE event first.

Try to win 1 before you try to win 5.

I've changed my order.

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5. Players
6. Money
this is spot on. i can't tell you how many times I see this. So many kids hopping between teams, no organization with the teams, money problems, not committing to a team just themselves. millions of reasons. Also, it's hard to practice all year. Only indoor place is boston, outside in the snow is a joke to play. guys like me on the west side of ct have nothing for speedball or indoor ball and i have to drive 3-4 hours for indoor in the offseason
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Old 01-25-2013, 01:53 PM #113
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Actually - outdoor practice in the winter time is what lead to our D1 and 1st year in PRO - I think you get out of practice what you put into practice.

Our year in D2 we actually skipped the first event and started our serious practice at the end of March/Early April.
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Back to the topic at hand... It seems pretty clear that the primary issue is money (hence my original post six pages back, lol).

Anyone got any bright ideas to bring more money into the sport? Other than my idea of getting kids with rich parents into the sport, of course.
I'd gather a lot of the money concerns tie back to the change of the sport marketing. It used to be marketed to adults, but now primarily to younger people. Nothing wrong with that, but a Junior in high school won't have the same income than a post-college guy working full time. And older guys are less inclined to play a younger sport than vice versa. So if the sport wants to see more money the various manufacturers and fields should start promoting it more to people that have more money to play around with.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.
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Did the marketing target younger players instead of adults? Or did the average player get younger over time, and thus the marketing adjusted to the market (younger player base)?

But back to the money issue... When teams were primarily filled with older players, obviously there was more disposable income available. When you have a team with all 20- or 30-somethings with jobs, then the impact of the expenses is obviously lessened. Now you have a lot of teenage players, who may be great, but their participation is tied to their parents' willingness to pay their way (for the most part).
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:07 PM #116
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id say the player base as a whole got younger, and id say that started around 2001. i can remember going to hogans back then and seeing kids my age *13 at the time* all over the place. of course we all grew up at the same rate, but the groups of guys in the older 20's for the most part disappeared into the woods, or from the field entirely by about 2006-7. then with the economy tanking, that obviously caused a huge set back but thats another story.
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I'd gather a lot of the money concerns tie back to the change of the sport marketing. It used to be marketed to adults, but now primarily to younger people. Nothing wrong with that, but a Junior in high school won't have the same income than a post-college guy working full time. And older guys are less inclined to play a younger sport than vice versa. So if the sport wants to see more money the various manufacturers and fields should start promoting it more to people that have more money to play around with.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.
Your spot on there. Mommy and daddies money to buy a brand new gun only goes so far...
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I may not be the most experienced but I would say money is a big issue.
In my opinion if a college team took some of its funding at put it into playing a local league , maybe in a few years time they could be playing national.
Of course this takes alot of commitment but out of maybe 30 team kids , instead of putting another team in class A and spending thousands they could play local and over a period of time ask to travel national.
This could also help college kids become somewhat of a feeder to higher divisional teams
This does not really solve the matter but maybe it could help it alittle
I know most schools ( The big ones ) get thousands for playing in the NCPA.
I know its a long shot and definitely would be volatile as one bad team leader could probably destroy the team but its definitely possible.
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I believe that money has a lot to do with paintball as I see it as a luxury sport, but a sport nonetheless. however, as many have said before in this thread, if there is a will to play there is a way to find funds to get out there.

That being said, i started competing in tournies back in 04 until i went off to college in 07' and pretty much didnt play at all and didnt follow or keep up with the paintball scene while at school. it has been interesting seeing the evolution of the sport (egg hopper pun intended) coming back last summer and competing again. If i remember correctly, the overall cost of the sport was much higher back then than it is now. Those of us who were in the NH/MA area back then can remember Canobie Paintball's (and other fields') rediculously expensive costs for a case of paint. I do realize that the economy crashed and all that has a lot to do with everything but all im saying is that paintball seemed much more popular and competitive when it costed more rather than the "cheaper" present reality of the sport. This could have been influenced by many factors such as my generation growing up and out of the sport and much like someone said before me, the marketing has changed for better or for worse.

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well, whens the last time you saw paintball equipment commercials or local tournament series commercials, or even paint commercials on nationally televised t.v. on a regular basis like I see nike, doritos, or car commercials, oh wait never. Thats the marketing flaw, no advertisement out of the realm of the sport means way less exposure and less people funneling to play or buy the equipment. If I asked my wife what kind of mask she would want to buy she wouldn't know a name of a damn one, but if I asked her whats the insurance company with the little green creature she would instantly know.
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ive seen those splatmasters on tv sort of often recently. i think those things have been a long time coming. a "proper" paintball gun that is perfect for entry level and younger players. its like the lazertag sets my parents would buy me when i was just a boy.
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ive seen those splatmasters on tv sort of often recently. i think those things have been a long time coming. a "proper" paintball gun that is perfect for entry level and younger players. its like the lazertag sets my parents would buy me when i was just a boy.
I havent seen one commercial for them yet, granted I dont wathc tv a ton, so thats great that they are starting to advertise things like that. As for the laser tag, I honestly think thats what might have sparked my passion for paintball.
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They are great. My 6 year old has one along with my wife and I and I will tell you they are a blast... I mean what 6 year old doesn't like to shoot there parents, but we have so much fun playing with them...
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do they hit hard? i havent been hit by one yet. i know their only supposed to shoot about 150fps but....i dont think ive ever been hit by a paintball that slow
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No they don't. My some was shot. He didn't cry. Didn't even leave a mark. He had a heavy sweatshirt on... To me after be bunkered at 300fps these tickle.
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