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Old 01-11-2013, 08:34 AM #1
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G6R Stock Barrel vs Any Aftermarket Barrels (i.e. Freak, et al)

Would just like to hear any anecdotal accounts and opinions about using any of the various aftermarket barrels like a Freak, Stiffi, Deadly Winds, Dye cf/ultralite, Evil Pipe, CP or any other barrel in place of the stock 1-piece 685-bore barrel. Especially curious about ball trajectory and accuracy, but would welcome all observations...
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:51 AM #2
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Quality of paint will effect accuracy more then anything.

Bob's barrels are made by CP, they just look different then what they make for them self.
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the sock barrel works great. only reason to change barrels would be to get a better paint to bore fit or just because you like the way a different barrel looks
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:18 AM #4
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Everything they say is true... I typically try to paint fit, but err on the overbore side to prevent barrel breaks. I have found that for the paint I shoot the .684 eigenbarrel is the best. It is cheap, light and amazingly quiet. If I need a bigger bore I run stock.
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:30 AM #5
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Everything they say is true... I typically try to paint fit, but err on the overbore side to prevent barrel breaks. I have found that for the paint I shoot the .684 eigenbarrel is the best. It is cheap, light and amazingly quiet. If I need a bigger bore I run stock.
I run the .685 CP 1 piece and pretty much only use field paint since 90% of the fields are FPO

I'd a slight underbore works best for me, I used a .691 and had horrible results.
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Shoot stock. Not worth buying another barrel.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:35 AM #7
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The last eigenbarrel I bought was $41.50 shipped... I'd pay that just for the weight and sound difference.
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I got a 2 piece with my G6R and use nothing but the .679 back I have with it.

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I have a gp elite g6r w/ stock bob long kit w/ 685 688 691 backs. Need nothing else.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:00 AM #11
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I got a 2 piece with my G6R and use nothing but the .679 back I have with it.

Shoots great. Save your money.
Thanks for all the feedback. Sounds like the concensus is to stick with the stock barrel, except in instances when paint-2-bore size veers too far outside (or inside) the .685 zone. Although this sounds alot like "use your stock barrel, unless you shouldn't use your stock barrel" I do get the point - it's usually unnecessary as most paint will fall within the stock size. Which then begs-the-question, SKI008, you're "use nothing but the .679 back..." ...Really? (sounds like you're shooting unusually small balls? or is the .679 bore size really not as far from the stock .685 as it sounds?)

Again, appreciate all the replies...
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Thanks for all the feedback. Sounds like the concensus is to stick with the stock barrel, except in instances when paint-2-bore size veers too far outside (or inside) the .685 zone. Although this sounds alot like "use your stock barrel, unless you shouldn't use your stock barrel" I do get the point - it's usually unnecessary as most paint will fall within the stock size. Which then begs-the-question, SKI008, you're "use nothing but the .679 back..." ...Really? (sounds like you're shooting unusually small balls? or is the .679 bore size really not as far from the stock .685 as it sounds?)

Again, appreciate all the replies...

To agree with SKI008 all I ever use is my lurker .678, I never had an extra barrel breaks using this except for one day over the summer use some horrible valken paint. The under bore usually gives me a solid 20-30 fps inc over stock barrel allowing for a lower sweetspot on regs. You can't go wrong picking up both lurker barrels for 40 a piece. Extremely light, quiet, simple and have very long control bores (.684 is straight through and .678 is the entire unported length, about 9.5 inches)
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:40 AM #13
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Thanks for all the feedback. Sounds like the concensus is to stick with the stock barrel, except in instances when paint-2-bore size veers too far outside (or inside) the .685 zone. Although this sounds alot like "use your stock barrel, unless you shouldn't use your stock barrel" I do get the point - it's usually unnecessary as most paint will fall within the stock size. Which then begs-the-question, SKI008, you're "use nothing but the .679 back..." ...Really? (sounds like you're shooting unusually small balls? or is the .679 bore size really not as far from the stock .685 as it sounds?)

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Play pump for any length of time and you will learn very quickly that the idiots saying "underboring breaks paint" are wrong. There are youtube videos that explain why that is, you can look them up. Basically since a paintball is malleable you can squeeze it into a smaller diameter tube without issue up to a certain point without compromising the ball's structure because of how a sphere distributes force over its skin or something like that.

Underboring is the most efficient way to get consistency. Overboring will produce similar consistency but will be less air efficient. Also with a pump overboring doesn't work because of roll outs.

I play in California (I'm in North Carolina for school but all 9 of my years playing PB have been in California) and I have never had paint that was too big for a .679 (the magic underbore limit is around .008 or so bigger so a .679 maxes out at .687 paint but good luck finding paint that large). Hell I have had paint that only has 3-4 points of contact with the .679 back which is tiny. I have a .685 and .691 back as well if I ever do find the mythical "large bore paint" but I'm pretty sure that went the way of the dinosaur in 2006 or so. The stock .685 will more than likely be an overbore unless in your part of California they have paint that isn't tiny in which case you might pull off a slight underbore with the .685. I always tell people to go small.
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I don't personally own a .679 Freak insert*, but have a friend who may have one in his Freak kit, so I'll take your advice, SKI008, and give it a try the next time we go out. Thanks to you and Joe13750 for your insights.

*Don't own an a/c threaded Freak back either, but continue to keep an eye out in the B/S/T section.
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Our field has empire paint. We usually shoot empire special blend. It will not even fit in my 679 freak back. I shot my 688 UL last night. The cheap empire spectrum is the same way and the better stuff (can't remember what it is called but it fits in the 684).
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Play pump for any length of time and you will learn very quickly that the idiots saying "underboring breaks paint" are wrong. There are youtube videos that explain why that is, you can look them up. Basically since a paintball is malleable you can squeeze it into a smaller diameter tube without issue up to a certain point without compromising the ball's structure because of how a sphere distributes force over its skin or something like that.

Underboring is the most efficient way to get consistency. Overboring will produce similar consistency but will be less air efficient. Also with a pump overboring doesn't work because of roll outs.

I play in California (I'm in North Carolina for school but all 9 of my years playing PB have been in California) and I have never had paint that was too big for a .679 (the magic underbore limit is around .008 or so bigger so a .679 maxes out at .687 paint but good luck finding paint that large). Hell I have had paint that only has 3-4 points of contact with the .679 back which is tiny. I have a .685 and .691 back as well if I ever do find the mythical "large bore paint" but I'm pretty sure that went the way of the dinosaur in 2006 or so. The stock .685 will more than likely be an overbore unless in your part of California they have paint that isn't tiny in which case you might pull off a slight underbore with the .685. I always tell people to go small.
The thing is, underboring does break paint in the cold. No offense but you guys that don't play in real cold areas don't understand this. The Punkworks tests also didn't test in cold temperatures. In most cases and most conditions I generally recommend underboring but people need to realize that it is not always ideal. I agree with everything else you said.

To the original poster there is no need to switch the barrel unless you are looking to underbore (which is a good idea). The .685 barrel should be a slight overbore for most of the paint out there. Cheers.

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The thing is, underboring does break paint in the cold. No offense but you guys that don't play in real cold areas don't understand this. The Punkworks tests also didn't test in cold temperatures. In most cases and most conditions I generally recommend underboring but people need to realize that it is not always ideal. I agree with everything else you said.

To the original poster there is no need to switch the barrel unless you are looking to underbore (which is a good idea). The .685 barrel should be a slight overbore for most of the paint out there. Cheers.
His location shows North Carolina and yours shows Florida... pretty sure he knows cold better than you.
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No I don't know cold better than him like I said I've done all my playing in California, next weekend I'm hoping to play in NC for the first time.

But if you're talking like 20-40 degrees the thing that will **** your paint up more is not the bore size of your barrel but the force of the bolt hitting the ball. If you are underboring at the extremes near the .008 limit then yes maybe at that point you might break more paint but I'd be surprised if your bore size was the limiting factor for cold weather play.

I've played in the mid 40s, that's about as cold as I've ever played in and had no problems breaking paint (or rather not more problems than anyone else was having) but I don't have a lot of experience.

However, Studio City, California is never going to get cold enough where you are going to be seeing that issue and that is where the OP is from so I would assume for his intents and purposes a .679 or .682 would be fine.
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Underbore has never cuase an issue for me and we play in crap conditions. Everything from freezing rain to snow. I play pump a lot and tourneys. My stock .685 is all I've used for about 2 yrs now. It's just tight enough to hold nice and with pumps no rollouts. Keep the stock. It's a great barrel. Buy paint instead
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I have a freak kit I'm using with a deadly winds barrel but lately I've just been using the stock 685 barrel and it has been awesome. Plus I'm pretty sure some of the inserts I have are incorrectly labeled.
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I live in NC and have played below freezing or in the snow. In warmer weather I under bore. During a long day of play in the cold (if paint is getting cold) I don't.
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