[Dave]

[gi11]

^ This

[illuminati2]

Originally Posted by gi11

^ This

yea buddy

[leftoverchicken13]

woot

[-Waldo-]

Master Blasters should be at this one rolling deep.

[JoeMcNugget]

I like very much any idea on paint?

[SpeedballTrix]

Since there is no APPA rulebook which explicitly defines reclassification (promotion) Im curious if it will be possible for the same 3 guys to play both series.

According to the PSP Rulebook a player will be reclassified from D5 to D4 if he accrues 300 points in a given season. If each series gets ten teams and your team places 3rd/10 in the first 3man event, 5/10 in the first D4 event and third again in the second D5 event a finish anywhere above dead last (10th/10) in the second D4 event will give each player 320 points and reclassify him as a D4 player and make him ineligible to play the rest of the 3man series.

If we assume for the moment that the CTS will follow the PSP rulebook for reclassification this means that only a team that gets blown to pieces at every event will be able to play both series in their entirety. In fact any two 3/10 finishes (this would also be any sixth place finish if the D4 series gets twenty teams in the first two events since the PSP ranking system works based on percentile) would reclassify the player(s) as Division 4 and get them booted from the 3man series.
But if the CTS decides not to reclassify players mid-season than the same 3 guys could play both series. Or if they decide to simply use the APPA ranking for reference and not send the results to the APPA (with the exception, maybe, of the teams that take the top three overall spots in the series' or something like that?) then you never have to worry about promotion making you ineligible for a series.

If Dave or somebody comes in and says "Well yeah dude we made the series' different divisions because we dont want the same guys playing both. We want the better players playing each other and leaving the newer or more casual players to compete amongst each other" then that's cool and I will totally buy that.
It just becomes a difficult decision then as to which Division we want to play =P

[631_Apathy]

I doubt they would let 3 D4 players play even if they rank up mid season. APPA drops your highest score and only counts the next three, so u would need to podium at least 3 times in the 5man to get enough points. If a team can do that idk if they should be playing a rookie tournament. Don't quote me on that though.

[SpeedballTrix]

You dont actually have to do very well.
If you are 30th percentile in the D5 events and 50th in the D4 events you will only make it half way through before being promoted.

PSP Score Formula (Divisional):
((90*((TotalTeams-Place)/(TotalTeams-1)))+10)*(DivMod)
DivMod = 1 for D5, 2 for D4

CTS3 E1
- 3/10 - 80Pts
CTS5 E1
- 5/10 - 120Pts (200Pts)
CTS3 E2
- 3/10 - 80Pts (280 Pts)
CTS5 E2
- 5/10 - 120Pts (Dropped) (280Pts)
CTS3 E3
- 9/10 - 20Pts (300Pts)

((90*((10-3)/(10-1)))+10)*(1) [80]
+ ((90*((10-5)/(10-1)))+10)*(2) [120]
+ ((90*((10-3)/(10-1)))+10)*(1) [80]
+ ((90*((10-5)/(10-1)))+10)*(2) [120; Dropped]
+ ((90*((10-9)/(10-1)))+10)*(1) [20]
= 300

Anyways, it turns out we will not be playing both series, so it's w/e for us =P
But it might matter to other teams?

[JoeMcNugget]

Originally Posted by SpeedballTrix

You dont actually have to do very well.
If you are 30th percentile in the D5 events and 50th in the D4 events you will only make it half way through before being promoted.

So a Mid-Season bump is a lot harder then an end of season bump in ranking. Did you take this into consideration ? Also, the divisions are the way they are because the majority of D4/D3 players aren't exactly trying to play 3man they play 5man for the most part. The goal is that teams start off one season as begginer 3 man then make that bump to 5 man after they have a few events under their belt. For example back in 2008 I started playing 3mans down at the GPL now known as the MAPL. We played 3 events that year as a 3 man team but for the final event we grabbed another player and played 5 man and did okay considering there was at the time a lot of D3 teams. The following season we made the jump to 5man for the season and finished that year with playing the PSP World Cup in D4 5man. Now obviously from there I went to playing D3 Xball and D2 7man but it all started by those little no ranking 3mans and moving up from there. The 3man division in a sense is a feeder division in a sense. Heres the Classification Guide by APPA
Determining your Classification Rating
A player receives a base score for each event based on the final place their team finishes. Players on 1st place teams receive 100 points, players on the last place team receive 10 points, with points for other teams evenly distributed so players on a team placing exactly in the middle receive 55 points.



Each base score has multipliers applied to convert it to an event score. Multipliers include:

■Division - Higher divisions earn more points
■Season - Older events are worth less points
■Players Fielded - 4-man, 3-man and 2-man events are worth less points
■# Teams - Events with fewer teams are worth fewer points.
■Player Age - Older scores for players over 40 are worth fewer points.

■
Division Multiplier

Pro 32x
Semi-Pro 24x
Division 1 16x
Division 2 8x
Division 3 4x
Division 4 2x
Division 5 1x
Division 6 50%

■
Season Multiplier

This Season (2013) 100%
One Season Ago (2012) 100%
Two Seasons Ago (2011) 90%
Three Season (2010) 70%
Four Seasons Ago (2009) 50%
Five Seasons Ago (2008) 35%
More Than Five Seasons Ago (2007 or earlier) 25%

■
Players Fielded Multiplier
Players Starting Each Point

5+ Players 100%
4 Players 75%
3 Players 50%
2 Players 25%
One-on-One 0

■
Number of Teams
Same Division

10+ teams 100%
9 teams 95%
8 teams 90%
7 teams 85%
6 teams 80%
5 teams 75%
4 teams 70%
3 teams 65%
2 teams 60%

■
Age Multiplier
Events older than 2 seasons by players current age

40 or under 100%
41 95%
42 90%
43 85%
44 80%
45 75%
46 70%
47 65%
48 60%
49 55%
50 50%


Determine Your Class

Players are assigned a class based on their Classification Rating according to the tables below.

Anytime
Class Points
Pro 4800
Semi-Pro 4800
Division 1 2400
Division 2 1200
Division 3 600
Division 4 300
Division 5 75
Start-of-Season
Class Points
Pro 3936
Semi-Pro 3936
Division 1 1974
Division 2 984
Division 3 492
Division 4 100
Division 5 20

Your Classification Rating is the sum of your second, third, and fourth highest scores. For players with only one score, the rating is 50% of that score. For players with two or three scores, the top score is dropped if it is D4 or lower and the rating is the sum of the all remaining scores.

A player starts the season in the highest class in which their Classification Rating exceeds the point threshold for that class in the "Start of Season" table.

If a player plays in a division higher than the class at which they started the season, AND earns enough points to exceed the point threshold in the "Anytime" table for that division, the player will be immediately promoted to that division.

Note that Pro and Semi-Pro have the same point limits. In order to advance to Pro, a player must have played at least 2 Pro events within the past 2 seasons.

You may be promoted to a higher division at any time during the season, or at the end of a season. The number of points needed to be promoted at the end of a season are lower than the number of points needed during a season.

[JoeMcNugget]

BTW Dave is the layout gonna be released longer then a week before the event? Are they gonna be the PSP Layouts?

[Dave]

I'll be honest, I'm not 100% sure what the correct answer is, since I haven't had to deal with APPA madness for a long time.

My intention for the most part isn't for players to be ranked out of being able to play our events by playing our events. However, part of my greater goal is for the good teams to "graduate" into playing 5 man and so on.

I'm going to touch base with the folks over at APPA on tuesday to get learned up and I'll let ya know what the answers are.

dave

[SpeedballTrix]

Originally Posted by JoeMcNugget

So a Mid-Season bump is a lot harder then an end of season bump in ranking. Did you take this into consideration

Yeah. IIRC the midseason bump is 300 pts (from D5 to D4) and the end season bump is 100 points.

Originally Posted by PSP_Rulebook_2012

2.1.1.10.5. A player who plays in Division 4 and whose classification rating then exceeds
300 will immediately be classified as Division 4.

...

2.1.1.9.5. A player who had a classification rating higher than 100 at the end of the
previous season is at least a Division 4 player.

And yeah I corrected my math after Apathy pointed out my mistake with the dropped highest score. It still means that you basically have to get blown out of the water in order to complete both full series'.
But yeah I get it that that's intentional.
It does make sense that you want to keep the two different divisions seperate.
I was under the impression that my teammates (from last years series) wanted to do both the 3 and 5 man series' but they've decided against the expense, so the question has become moot for me =P

[Long Island Krush]

Cant wait!!!!

[Joe13750]

so an id card needs to be purchased for every event? or will one last for them all?

[Dave]

One for the whole season.

[SpeedballTrix]

Originally Posted by Dave

One for the whole season.

Oh, w3rd.
Yeah I actually thought you needed one for each event, but upon rereading I see "...a card with a March event sticker...". So you buy one card per player and then you get a sticker for playing an event which gives you the practice session discount through to the next event?
That's cool. We thought you had to spend the $40 per player per event, nearly doubling the effective entry fee.
This is much better =P

[SnYpErAsSaSsIn]

What day is this Tourney? Im looking foward to come down and watch and get the feel of a tourney. Thanks

[Dave]

Should have finalized dates in the next couple days.

Dave

[Mattfro13]

Originally Posted by Dave

Should have finalized dates in the next couple days.

Dave

[SnYpErAsSaSsIn]

Thank you sir. Much appreciated.