DM reliability in below freezing temperatures

Ravenstylea2 · 12-30-2012, 06:32 PM

Hi guys, I am reluctant to take my DM11 out now since I was having trouble with it on stock settings at around 40 degees temperature right before the winter came. I upped the dwell some which helped. but now it is about 30 degrees in the daytime in Northeast NJ. Do these guns run into oring problems frequently at lower temps? I noticed I had to change a fresh bolt tip oring after one day of play in the cold. Anyone else run into cold weather issues. I am sure we all know to clean the barrel, bolt engine, eye pipe, and dye slick lube moderately before every game.

Bobtheballer · 12-30-2012, 09:18 PM

I don't think I've ever played with mine when it was quite that cold. I would also recommend turning up the LPR as well as upping the dwell. The only time I ever ran into problems was when I forgot to turn up my LPR, I had it something ridiculous like 1 1/2 in 45* otherwise I've never had any other problems.

Ravenstylea2 · 12-31-2012, 12:16 AM

Thanks for the response. If you've played in the cold, please share your experience.

ProtoSkillz · 12-31-2012, 08:42 AM

yeah he's right. UP the dwell and then the LPR if necessary.

I used my DM4 in the cold a few years back and the bolt was sticking like a mofo. After much research and many visits to the pro shop it was determined the lube was freezing. I think this was before it was widely known the cold does effect them. it was the old formula Dye lube though, and this new one works better. just lube lightly and try it out. If not then adjust the dwell and lpr accordingly.

Jams419 · 12-31-2012, 09:09 AM

I have always left the dwell where it was and tuned the LPR for that day. Just tune your LPR over the chrono until its shooting consistent and you should be good.

ikappedkermit · 12-31-2012, 11:46 AM

Played a tournament here last Feb - the high for the day was 26!! Played all day with stock settings - dwell 21, LPR 3.5 turns out. Did not break a single ball, no shoot down issues - no issues of any kind.

Jams419 · 12-31-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ikappedkermit

Played a tournament here last Feb - the high for the day was 26!! Played all day with stock settings - dwell 21, LPR 3.5 turns out. Did not break a single ball, no shoot down issues - no issues of any kind.

Those settings are well above stock. Stock dwell is 18 and stock lpr is 3 turns.

tim2thousand4 · 12-31-2012, 12:39 PM

I always bump the dwell to 21 and lpr 1/4 turn past where the sweetspot is. Don't ever have issues in the cold.

You can also switch over to monkey poo, and it'll help out immensley.

grss429 · 12-31-2012, 08:59 PM

If its cold out do NOT use sleek, or the dye lube switch to something like monkey poo hater sauce or something thing

JoshC90 · 12-31-2012, 09:04 PM

Use monkey poo lube, and turn ure LPR up as said above. Higher LPR will keep the bolt from sticking, if you start chopping up the dwell a bit.

Ravenstylea2 · 12-31-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshC90

Use monkey poo lube, and turn ure LPR up as said above. Higher LPR will keep the bolt from sticking, if you start chopping up the dwell a bit.

Heard monkey poo swells orings.

JoshC90 · 01-01-2013, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dznuts007

Dow55 was never used to formulate MonkeyPoo, nor will it ever be in MonkeyPoo

Rest at ease guys. Nothing in there to swell orings.

nope, completely untrue. Whoever said that has never used monkeypoo, its been on my PM8s engine and my axes engine for the last 2 months. None of my orings are even remotely swollen. Ive also used it to rebuild my teammates HPR and LPR on his PM8 plus his engine, his gun shoots great as well with awesome chrono consistency.

tim2thousand4 · 01-01-2013, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravenstylea2

Heard monkey poo swells orings.

I heard that pink pigs could fly

Manu#12 · 01-01-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tim2thousand4

I heard that pink pigs could fly

lol

monkeypoo is doing great with spools, so is slick honey

speedy2k4 · 01-01-2013, 04:42 PM

I've run a dwell of 23ms in the winter and adjust my LPR while the marker is cold. Using Dow 33 light. Played in temps well below 40*, never had a problem.

JOESPUD27 · 01-01-2013, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tim2thousand4

I always bump the dwell to 21 and lpr 1/4 turn past where the sweetspot is. Don't ever have issues in the cold.

You can also switch over to monkey poo, and it'll help out immensley.

In general or just when it's cold?

Jay

tim2thousand4 · 01-01-2013, 07:07 PM

Always.

JoshC90 · 01-01-2013, 08:06 PM

Monkey poo is the ****, period lol

Last sunday we were playin in 35degree weather, all the geos and DMs were having bolt stick/poor cycling problems. Slapped da poo on there, turn the LPR up a tad and BOOM it vanished.

Funnest part was they pull some hater V2 out at first, stuff was hard as hell hahahaha even still in the jar

MstrKey · 01-02-2013, 02:28 PM

My record was playing at -15 C........whatever that is in ancient american temperature

First thing......if you're going to play in the cold, it doesn't help to set you gun up in the heat. Raise your dwell a couple points then set your LPR once your gun is chilled down to the temperature you'll be playing at. With a margin for safety as well since it will cool more as you shoot.

Keep your batteries fresh.....cold batteries can die fast or lose current output.

If you're in the cold and using fragile paint........then it's a whole other ballgame.

Raise dwell, lower pressure. Again set up LPR at proper temp. Lower hopper feed rate or tension or both. Lower guns ROF if it's high. Raise eye delay. Run a loose bore. Try to keep paint warm whenever possible. Use cheaper paint that's bouncy in the summer....it will break fine in the cold.

I've used a lot of lubes without issue in the cold. The trick is.....you need something a little thinner. When everything shrinks.....parts get tighter. A thicker grease may cause more drag than a thinner one will. No dow based grease will freeze in the cold but some can thicken up. Stick to something more fluid. It won't last as long so you'll have to lube each time you play but it'll work nicer. You can thin out your normal grease with a drop of oil in a pinch.

**Entropy** · 01-02-2013, 02:52 PM

DYE actually has an official statement about playing in the cold and what you need to do to your equipment to make it work correctly, I'll see if I can find it. If I recall correctly they wanted you to stick with the suggested lube, and turn your Dwell up 5ms, but let me look for the doc.

speedy2k4 · 01-02-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MstrKey

Raise your dwell a couple points then set your LPR once your gun is chilled down to the temperature you'll be playing at.

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Originally Posted by **Entropy**

If I recall correctly they wanted you to stick with the suggested lube, and turn your Dwell up 5ms, but let me look for the doc.

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Originally Posted by speedy2k4

I've run a dwell of 23ms in the winter and adjust my LPR while the marker is cold. Using Dow 33 light.