__________________ Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world - "No, you move."
We will always have the Constitution reminding us of the personal freedoms of the past at least. Your local rabid power grabbing Home Owner's Association will eventually take full control of the United States and the Constitution will be just another historic document.
The Constitution is fully compatible with, and remains fully in force, regardless of what entities such as HOAs do.
I hope it will lead to legislation that will severely restrict gun access.
I hope you move to England. You have so many issues with being American that I don't understand why you still live here. 2nd Amendment was for the people to protect themselves from oppression by the army or the government. You cannot do that with guns that are far outclassed by the ones the military has. You of course, do not care. Additionally, I cannot recall seeing you argue against alcohol, which kills more people annually than guns. If saving lives is your MO, then you should be more conserved with that. Is not the death of children tragic regardless of the means in which they are killed? If so, saving the largest number of them should be the priority. With that said - look at drunk driving more than gun laws. You want to restrict people the right to defend themselves to stop a few murders, but you do not want to restrict people on drinking, driving, crashing, which kills more people. That's pretty interesting terrible logic IMO.
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No immigrants
No massive influx of drugs
No racial diversity
Much more invasive police and government
Social culture that requires people to be held accountable
Until the past couple years, incredibly low rates of those of working age on welfare (intersting, they've had a 400% increase in murders the last two years)
Czech Republic has very sensible gun laws and minimal restrictions, yet is towards the bottom in gun related homicides in all of Europe.
And slateman has again owned multiple people on the gun debate topic.
No immigrants
No massive influx of drugs
No racial diversity
Much more invasive police and government
Social culture that requires people to be held accountable
Until the past couple years, incredibly low rates of those of working age on welfare (intersting, they've had a 400% increase in murders the last two years)
Czech Republic has very sensible gun laws and minimal restrictions, yet is towards the bottom in gun related homicides in all of Europe.
Why does being American mean being a gun toting neanderthal? I don't think you respect the majority that is unarmed America.
It has nothing to do with being a "gun toting neanderthal" and going out to shoot 500 rounds of ammunition on a given weekend. It has to do with protecting myself and my rights. I'm sure it's been stated multiple times throughout this thread, but the 2nd amendment was put in place so citizens could protect themselves from tyranny. Without arms, we would not have gained independence from England.
All this new AWB will do is limit many civilians to pea shooters and water guns.
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UK and Australia
This is not the UK. This is not Australia. If you so desire to live in one of those societies, then have at it.
Why can't you people get it through your head that the previous AWB didn't do jack except put more limitations on law abiding citizens.
Please l2k, Gonzo, LTK, explain how the previous AWB stopped the Columbine shooting.
__________________ "Sometimes you get the bear; sometimes the bear gets you." -Clay Othic
And your point is? Tuff claimed LTK didn't care about DUI. No one is suggesting murder be decriminalized, well no one on the sane side of the argument.
On the other hand your logic is that since being illegal didn't stop a murder from happening, murder might as well not be illegal.
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Without arms, we would not have gained independence from England.
This a nonsense point that keeps getting repeated. Tons of things that are illegal (and immoral) today helped the country at some point in time (e.g. slavery). And hell, without the French we would not have gained independence from England either, so what does that entitle France to from us?
And your point is? You claimed LTK didn't care about DUI. No one is suggesting murder be decriminalized, well no one on the sane side of the argument.
On the other hand your logic is that since being illegal didn't stop a murder from happening, murder might as well not be illegal.
This a nonsense point that keeps getting repeated. Tons of things that are illegal (and immoral) today helped the country at some point in time (e.g. slavery). And hell, without the French we would not have gained independence from England either, so what does that entitle France to from us?
Are you really that dumb? Pretty sure I said nothing in regards to your best friend LTK, nor did I imply anything about murder being decriminalized. I think that was some liberal, leftist bull**** that you conjured up because you don't want other people to have what you don't want. Maybe it was the fact the murder being illegal hasn't stopped anybody from killing innocent people, that a weapons ban would somehow magically save the world from evil-doers. Talk about bringing something to the discussion; you fall short each and every time.
What does the French or slavery have to do with the colonists taking up arms against England?
The French were critical to the US victory in the Revolutionary War. Slavery was a critical source of US economic power at the time as well. Neither is sacrosanct today because of the benefit it was to the nation. And slavery was in the constitution.
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Pretty sure I said nothing in regards to your best friend LTK, nor did I imply anything about murder being decriminalized.
Tuff said it, I corrected the post. It is your responsibility to understand the context of my response, and you did not. You just made a knee-jerk proclamation that has no relevance to what I said.
Oh and I'm pretty sure murder being illegal keeps a lot of people from being killed.
