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Old 01-17-2013, 03:28 PM #946
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How hard will it actually be to modify/remove that? Not very.
As hard as they want to make it. Requiring an electronic switch to move a physical object or anything of the like is a pretty decent safeguard. Removing the electronics would render the gun completely useless. You'd have to replace and/or hack the chip itself to work.

Think about it this way:
Can you make an electronic paintball marker shoot after removing the electronics board from the grip?

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No it wouldn't have, because as I said, adam lanza could have just disabled the chip.
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Most people are shot outside of schools and churches. You'd essentially have to set the chip to....everywhere.
Pretty much. This is why I think it's most useful by simply recognizing the owner of the firearm.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:31 PM #947
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As hard as they want to make it. Requiring an electronic switch to move a pneumatic piston or anything of the like is a pretty decent safeguard. Removing the electronics would render the gun completely useless. You'd have to replace and/or hack the chip itself to work.

Think about it this way:
Can you make an electronic paintball marker shoot after removing the electronics board from the grip?



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Pretty much. This is why I think it's most useful by simply recognizing the owner of the firearm.
I'd say it's best left to the consumer to choose whether they want.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:34 PM #948
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pretty hard to modify 200,000,000 guns that are in circulation. noone would want a gun that has that if it meant in certain areas they would be rendered helpless. its a nice idea on paper but in reality its a complete failure...
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:35 PM #949
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I also don't like the idea of the government being able to disable my guns, and for that matter criminals being able to disable my firearm with electronics. The idea sounds good on the surface but leave the user of the firearm vulnerable. Could you imagine if you could buy a device that would kill the guns police are carrying?
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:37 PM #950
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Rfid is easily hackable. It can be hacked in passing, it can be hacked in use, the security hole of rfid is a know detractor to the use of this technology.
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Firearms were not designed to operate around chips. They would not be applicable on the millions of firearms already in current circulation, only ones designed in the future... Wouldn't solve sh**.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:40 PM #952
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As hard as they want to make it. Requiring an electronic switch to move a physical object or anything of the like is a pretty decent safeguard. Removing the electronics would render the gun completely useless. You'd have to replace and/or hack the chip itself to work.
Paintball guns and real guns don't operate nearly in the same way so that's not a valid comparison.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:41 PM #953
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Paintball guns and real guns don't operate nearly in the same way so that's not a valid comparison.

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Old 01-17-2013, 03:50 PM #954
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I'd say it's best left to the consumer to choose whether they want.
Sure. Makes sense.

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pretty hard to modify 200,000,000 guns that are in circulation.
I'm not talking about doing that.

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Paintball guns and real guns don't operate nearly in the same way so that's not a valid comparison.
Basic premise is still the same. Forcing the use of an electronic component to trigger the movement of a physical object to begin the firing sequence. Pretend all you want, but it is more than possible to design guns that won't work unless this electronic signal is sent.

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Rfid is easily hackable. It can be hacked in passing, it can be hacked in use, the security hole of rfid is a know detractor to the use of this technology.
Now here is a decent risk exposure. RFID's can be shielded, but it would be rather hard and troublesome to circumvent this problem reliably.

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I also don't like the idea of the government being able to disable my guns, and for that matter criminals being able to disable my firearm with electronics. The idea sounds good on the surface but leave the user of the firearm vulnerable. Could you imagine if you could buy a device that would kill the guns police are carrying?
I'm thinking of it more in terms of the gun is always "off" unless the owner is present. Police wouldn't have the ability to turn the gun off remotely unless they got you out of range of the gun. I don't want the government to have such power either.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:50 PM #955
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yup you anti-gun control guys sure are reasonable
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:50 PM #956
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Firearms were not designed to operate around chips. They would not be applicable on the millions of firearms already in current circulation, only ones designed in the future... Wouldn't solve sh**.
It would not apply to all rifles, but it would apply to some (new ones at minimum). Treg already addressed this. Please read.

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Look at it this way:

900 people being killed is better than 1,200 people being killed.
900 people being killed is better than 910 people being killed. Anything that can save lives in certain situations should be looked at in order to help prevent murder.

I'm not saying it's the end-all, so please don't act sensationally when I bring this up. This tech could help prevent the theft of use of illegal firearms.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:55 PM #957
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900 people being killed is better than 1,200 people being killed.
900 people being killed is better than 910 people being killed. Anything that can save lives in certain situations should be looked at in order to help prevent murder.
Then why are rifles specifically being targeted when they've only killed 358 people in 2010, compared to 6,009 with handguns? Even knives killed more people, 1,704 in the same year. For that matter, people's hands and feet killed more people, 745 to be exact. Should we start banning body parts now? It looks like the numbers don't matter after all otherwise rifles would be pretty low on the priority list.
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yup you anti-gun control guys sure are reasonable
would love to hear your "reasonable" idea of what to do..please share!
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yup you anti-gun control guys sure are reasonable
It gets harder and harder to take you seriously.

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Sure. Makes sense.



I'm not talking about doing that.



Basic premise is still the same. Forcing the use of an electronic component to trigger the movement of a physical object to begin the firing sequence. Pretend all you want, but it is more than possible to design guns that won't work unless this electronic signal is sent.



Now here is a decent risk exposure. RFID's can be shielded, but it would be rather hard and troublesome to circumvent this problem reliably.



I'm thinking of it more in terms of the gun is always "off" unless the owner is present. Police wouldn't have the ability to turn the gun off remotely unless they got you out of range of the gun. I don't want the government to have such power either.
The signal can be blocked very easily remotely with readily available and inexpensive jammers.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:11 PM #960
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Then why are rifles specifically being targeted when they've only killed 358 people in 2010, compared to 6,009 with handguns? Even knives killed more people, 1,704 in the same year. For that matter, people's hands and feet killed more people, 745 to be exact. Should we start banning body parts now? It looks like the numbers don't matter after all otherwise rifles would be pretty low on the priority list.
Get em.


Don't forget about how more people were murdered with hammers than the whole rifle category.

It's all a bunch of bull. Criminals are totally going to continue obeying the current laws as well the future ones.




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Old 01-17-2013, 04:11 PM #961
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so how many cops will you guys kill when obama realizes his newton conspiriacy plan to take your guns and throw all the nations white people in jail?
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:13 PM #962
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so how many cops will you guys kill when obama realizes his newton conspiriacy plan to take your guns and throw all the nations white people in jail?
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I'd rather not have to change batteries or worry about electronics failures in a gun i'm banking my life on. I also don't want to have my gun disabled because I don't have whatever item it uses to verify it is within proximity to me, or to have it non functional for my girlfriend because I'm at work.

That and what good would it really be with so many guns out there that it wouldn't be able to be fitted to?
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not trolling, haven't you been reading the posts in here? these are real concerns
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:14 PM #965
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woa, when did this become a race issue? and if people were to rebel it would be against the national gaurd more than likely
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Then why are rifles specifically being targeted when they've only killed 358 people in 2010, compared to 6,009 with handguns? Even knives killed more people, 1,704 in the same year. For that matter, people's hands and feet killed more people, 745 to be exact. Should we start banning body parts now? It looks like the numbers don't matter after all otherwise rifles would be pretty low on the priority list.
When did I specifically target rifles?

I'll respond more later. At lunch.
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