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Old 04-04-2013, 10:13 AM #1
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Pedophilia should be considered a sexual orientation

Or at least say some Democrats in Congress

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California Congresswoman, Rep. Jackie Speier CA (D), wants to federalize a state law to prohibit counseling to change a person’s sexual orientation. That doesn’t sound that extreme, but pedophilia is a sexual orientation according to this bill as well.

Under the bill’s language, a mental health counselor could be sanctioned if there was an attempt to get a pedophile or gay individual to change his behavior or speak negatively about their behavior as it relates to sexuality.

The bill calls on states to prohibit efforts to change a minor’s sexual orientation, even if the minor requests it, saying that doing so is “dangerous and harmful.”

The text of the legislation doesn’t specifically ban “gay” conversion therapy. Instead, it prohibits attempts to change a person’s sexual orientation.

“Sexual orientation change efforts’ means any practices by mental health providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation,” the bill says.

Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying that, “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation.” However, the Democrats defeated the amendment. Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) stated that all alternative sexual lifestyles should be protected under the law, and accordingly decided that pedophilia is a sexual orientation that should be equally as embraced as homosexuality.
And there it is.

Someone help me with the logical jump by these legislators. I get homosexuality being protected. That's two consenting adults of legal age. Pedophilia is not.

So we have to ban guns protect the children, but it's okay for adults to take advantage of them, sexually?
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:47 AM #2
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:56 AM #3
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As long as the child is above the legal age of consent (differences between the States), what is the issue?
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:57 AM #4
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As long as the child is above the legal age of consent (differences between the States), what is the issue?
Because then it's not pedophilia. Then it's consenting adults.
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Because then it's not pedophilia. Then it's consenting adults.
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I have re-thought my position. Pedophilia should be considered a sexual orientation. However, I don't believe it should be legalized or in anyway, legally protected. I do not believe the age of consent laws should be changed.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:31 AM #7
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Does the language specify whether the mental health providers are state/fed funded or private? If they are private uncle sam can go suck one.
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Because then it's not pedophilia. Then it's consenting adults.
So having sex with a 13 year old is not pedophilia in Spain, but it is in Portugal.

Or even closer to home, having sex with a 16 year old is not pedophilia in Georgia, but it is in Florida?

I think you're confused about pedophilia.
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Being a pedophile doesn't mean you rape children. It means you have sexual urges involving children. It seems odd that it should be okay to discriminate people after they come forward with a mental disorder but I'm fine with leaving orientation to a query involving male and/or female specifically. I guess it's only a matter of time before some autistic poster thinks Obama wants child rapists in our schools.
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I bet he would prefer child rapists to security guards in schools.
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Being a pedophile doesn't mean you rape children. It means you have sexual urges involving children.
The bill speaks of behavior, not urges.

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Old 04-04-2013, 05:32 PM #13
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They're born that way, like gay people. Is it wrong to be sexually attracted to children if they don't act upon the urge?
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The bill speaks of behavior, not urges.

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No it doesn't. The article is trying to spin the discussion by saying the bill normalizes behavior of pedophiles which is entirely disingenuous.
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No it doesn't. The article is trying to spin the discussion by saying the bill normalizes behavior of pedophiles which is entirely disingenuous.
Here is a quote from the article which explains the law:

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Under the bill’s language, a mental health counselor could be sanctioned if there was an attempt to get a pedophile or gay individual to change his behavior or speak negatively about their behavior as it relates to sexuality.
Do you have the text of the legislation itself? If you do, I would be glad to read it and amend my post.

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The bill doesn't even reference pedophilia. Its purpose was to disallow forced gay conversion therapy on people under 18 years of age.

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This bill would prohibit a mental health provider, as defined, from engaging in sexual orientation change efforts, as defined, with a patient under 18 years of age. The bill would provide that any sexual orientation change efforts attempted on a patient under 18 years of age by a mental health provider shall be considered unprofessional conduct and shall subject the provider to discipline by the provider’s licensing entity.
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The bill doesn't even reference pedophilia. Its purpose was to disallow forced gay conversion therapy on people under 18 years of age.



Fact checking is dead.
I agree that it does not reference pedophilia. Here is the text of the bill:

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Article 15 (commencing with Section 865) is added to Chapter 1 of Division 2of the Business and Professions Code, to read:

Article 15. Sexual Orientation Change Efforts

865. For the purposes of this article, the following terms   shall have the following meanings:
(a) “Mental health provider” means a physician and surgeon specializing in the practice of psychiatry, a psychologist, a psychological assistant, intern, or trainee, a licensed marriage and family therapist, a registered marriage and family therapist, intern, or trainee, a licensed educational psychologist, a credentialed school psychologist, a licensed clinical social worker, an associate clinical social worker, a licensed professional clinical counselor, a registered clinical counselor, intern, or trainee, or any other person designated as a mental health professional under California law or regulation.

(b) (1) “Sexual orientation change efforts” means any practices by mental health providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation. This includes efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals of the same sex.

(2) “Sexual orientation change efforts” does not include psychotherapies that: (A) provide acceptance, support, and understanding of clients or the facilitation of clients’ coping, social support, and identity exploration and development, including sexual orientation-neutral interventions to prevent or address unlawful conduct or unsafe sexual practices; and (B) do not seek to change sexual orientation.

865.1. Under no circumstances shall a mental health provider engage in sexual orientation change efforts with a patient under 18 years of age.

865.2. Any sexual orientation change efforts attempted on a patient under 18 years of age by a mental health provider shall be considered unprofessional conduct and shall subject a mental health provider to discipline by the licensing entity for that mental health provider.
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They're born that way, like gay people. Is it wrong to be sexually attracted to children if they don't act upon the urge?
Is it wrong for people to want to blow up buildings with suicide vests they don't act upon the urge?
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