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Old 12-24-2012, 04:54 PM #85
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I think there is a lot of truth in this. As they do with other things, they are willing to move incrementally. By first establishing a beach head by abolishing certain types of guns, they can then move to more types, saying that the ban of some types means that others types can be restricted. Or taxed beyond the ability of most people to own and keep them.

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Precisely. Foreign influence really takes its toll on this country.
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Old 12-24-2012, 04:58 PM #86
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I think there is a lot of truth in this. As they do with other things, they are willing to move incrementally. By first establishing a beach head by abolishing certain types of guns, they can then move to more types, saying that the ban of some types means that others types can be restricted. Or taxed beyond the ability of most people to own and keep them.

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Phase 1 = Obama signing the UN gun treaty.
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:06 PM #87
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Why can we REQUIRE seatbelts but can't REQUIRE certain safe storage laws (trigger locks, safes, etc)?
Because driving is not a right, but owning guns is a right.
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:14 PM #88
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Because driving is not a right, but owning guns is a right.
Voting is a right, but we put stipulations, restrictions, etc on that. Just because it is a constitutional right does not absolve it from any regulation.
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:21 PM #89
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You make it sound as if there are no restrictions on firearms already. As I've already stated, restricting them even further won't prevent jack s***. Criminals are criminals. No laws will prevent illegally obtained firearms from being used in crimes.
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:55 PM #90
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I'll come back through and add things to the list, and if a side is not offered with the idea, I'll just add it to which side I think it belongs. If you disagree with where an idea is placed, speak up, and let me know if you want it added to one side or removed from one. Some ideas may even end up on both, which may even display some degree of common ground.

For now, I'm just looking for possible suggestions to cut down on gun violence specifically. I am only talking about gun violence in this thread, and not other forms of violence, because each for of violence is really it's own issue. Also, knives, cars, and other items that can be used as weapons carry other purposes vital to modern society, and are not designed to be used for killing people. If you would like to discuss other forms of violence, then make your own thread.

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While employed as a teacher, their role is to teach. But fine, I wouldn't care much if former military, who are deemed mentally fit for carrying a fire arm as a civilian, can have a side arm on them if you think it would be better than hiring guards/security patrol whose sole responsibility is to scan for intruders. Instead, we can simply rely on the person who is supposed to be focused on educating our youth, they're probably paying attention to who's all coming in and out of the building. And if the intruders make it to the classroom door, to where the armed teacher is working, then they can just have a shoot out with kids in the crossfire. Safety first.

I personally rather keep security detail separate from the teachers, but I guess that's just my opinion. Regardless though, we should probably arm our cooks and hall monitors too. They'll keep us safe, in a non prison-like environment...
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:01 PM #91
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Phase 1 = Obama signing the UN gun treaty.
This bullshut again? Christ on a cracker this nation is doomed.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:03 PM #92
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This bullshut again? Christ on a cracker this nation is doomed.
Remember that time when he said he wouldn't sign the NDAA? I wonder what happened with that.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:04 PM #93
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I am only talking about gun violence in this thread, and not other forms of violence, because each for of violence is really it's own issue.
This is correct only if you ignore the underlying cause of the behavior.

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Old 12-24-2012, 06:05 PM #94
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Well there's truth behind it. The foreign supply of "assualt weapons" is being cut off due to it. They've already made it so saiga 12 guage shotguns can no longer be imported. I prefect ak variants will be next.
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Christ on a cracker
That is funny stuff right there.
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You make it sound as if there are no restrictions on firearms already.
Relative to driving a vehicle, there isn't much.
Relative to other industrialized nations, there isn't much.

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As I've already stated, restricting them even further won't prevent jack s***. Criminals are criminals. No laws will prevent illegally obtained firearms from being used in crimes.
Do you have any substantive evidence to prove this or are we going to continue in the land of bull****tery?

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No laws will prevent illegally obtained firearms from being used in crimes.
Also, stop confusing reduction and prevention. They are very different arguments.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:09 PM #97
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Remember that time when he said he wouldn't sign the NDAA? I wonder what happened with that.
Remember when Ron Paul was going to win the presidency? Has no ****ing relevance here. What's your point?

Custar, I try.
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This is correct only if you ignore the underlying cause of the behavior.

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Violence is the broad umbrella problem, sure. But I am trying to bring that down by bringing down the most easily controllable cause of killings. That done by the "tools" designed to kill people. Seems like a good place to start to me. But if you'd like to suggest funding PSAs against general violence as one way of reducing gun violence, I will add it to the list for you. Or what other idea did you have to solve the underlying behavioral problem?


But again, this is just my thread, feel free to make your own for whatever type of violence you wish.
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Remember when Ron Paul was going to win the presidency? Has no ****ing relevance here. What's your point?
No I don't remember Ron Paul promising he would become president. But I do remember obummer promising he wouldn't sign the NDAA, and then I remembered him signing it on New Year's when he thought nobody would notice.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:13 PM #100
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Blake, must you derail every conversation with random nonsense?
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Land of bull****ery?.. It's no secret that the vast majority of legal gun owners are not committing crimes with their firearms. Why should they pay the price for the scumbags using illegally obtained weapons with scratched off serial numbers that have been in circulation on the streets for years? And 9 times out of 10 the crimes are committed with handguns, not rifles.

This isn't bull**** this is reality.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:19 PM #102
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No I don't remember Ron Paul promising he would become president. But I do remember obummer promising he wouldn't sign the NDAA, and then I remembered him signing it on New Year's when he thought nobody would notice.
That has what to do with the UN treaty that keeps being overblown?
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That has what to do with the UN treaty that keeps being overblown?
The fact that obama also promised not to take away anyone's guns, yet look at his position now. Obviously all of his lies don't amount to a very dependable track record, which means this slimeball politician can't be trusted by anyone except a government slave like yourself.
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When did the US become a dictatorship and lose its bicarmel legislature and judicial review? Still not seeing what that has to do with the UN treaty.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:29 PM #105
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This thread pretty much sums up the problem. There is just a total inability to sensibly and honestly discuss guns from their proponents.
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