[SniperForce-Duffek]

Wanna put airbags on guns? Maybe upgrade the crumple zones a bit.

[tomM925]

Originally Posted by licence2kill

To Tuff the only real americans are those who buy tickets to Ted Nugent concerts.

Ted Nugent loves guns..

[licence2kill]

[isaiahliepold]

Well in America they can't take away guns. All they can really do is make it harder to buy guns at shows, and in the case of the latest school shooting. Guns don't kill, people do. We need to help the mentally ill people and not focus on guns. The facts are, that 99.9999999999999999999 of gun owners are good owners and are responsible. In this latest shooting, people knew he was mentally ill but never did anything about it.

[F1VENOM]

That's an astounding amount of sig figs, I'd love to see where you pulled that stat from.

[Tuff]

Originally Posted by licence2kill

Overbear, I don't think guns are "evil."

Stop trying to turn this into a morality play.

You just did the same exact thing earlier this very day trying to claim I said we need a blackout in all media, because I take issue with the media giving this incident/issue an overabundance of coverage, which puts the idea in people's head. Now you are mad someone twisted your words apparently?

How amusing. Glad you're getting rocked here.

[tomM925]

Let then go ahead and make them nearly impossible to aquire. Cause everyone who wants them already has them. Try buying an ar15 right now, gun stores are wiped out, websites are all sold out as well. Any time there is talk of a new awb the sales skyrocket, and the country just gets flooded with them.

[licence2kill]

Originally Posted by isaiahliepold

Well in America they can't take away guns. All they can really do is make it harder to buy guns at shows, and in the case of the latest school shooting. Guns don't kill, people do. We need to help the mentally ill people and not focus on guns. The facts are, that 99.9999999999999999999 of gun owners are good owners and are responsible. In this latest shooting, people knew he was mentally ill but never did anything about it.

So then you support obamacare right?

[Volucris]

I'm a gun owner, a gun rights activist, not an NRA member, and I support a universal healthcare system aka obamacare. You get so caught up trying to bash Republicans that you lose what you're talking about to begin with.

[Treghc]

Originally Posted by Overbear

Think on this children.

We do not blaim cars for drunk drivers, why do we blaim guns for murderers?

Why, because the media has told you such. Guns are "evil" and they turn people into murders of children just by their very presence near you. You have been told anyone who wants a gun in their home has a mental problem. You have been told you don't need a gun, the police will protect you...and you, have believed them.

I just want to clear up this false assertion here...

Cars are not made to be used as tool of death. They are made for transportation. Anything moving that fast while weighing that much has the potential to cause damage. People don't say "hey, I want to kill someone. How should I do it? Oh, I know! I'll drive a car in to them!" The decision to kill someone isn't made with utilizing a car in mind (at least, not at any rate worthy of mentioning).

It's a vastly different story for firearms. Stop trying to equate the use of cars to firearms.

[TheSilentAssassin]

Also, we do regulate the potential for car deaths. We REQUIRE seatbelts. We REQUIRE certain safety standards by car manufacturers. We REQUIRE a license, with a permit period, a written test, and a performance test.

Why can we REQUIRE seatbelts but can't REQUIRE certain safe storage laws (trigger locks, safes, etc)?
We have much more stringent testing for cars then guns; why not make more regulation on mental/psych testing as well as proper gun use testing? (I know there is some, but not to the same extent as a written and performance test, a permit period, and a license.)

[barrel roll]

Originally Posted by licence2kill

The freedom to own slaves?

What is morally wrong with indentured servitude?

[tomM925]

Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin

Also, we do regulate the potential for car deaths. We REQUIRE seatbelts. We REQUIRE certain safety standards by car manufacturers. We REQUIRE a license, with a permit period, a written test, and a performance test.

Why can we REQUIRE seatbelts but can't REQUIRE certain safe storage laws (trigger locks, safes, etc)?
We have much more stringent testing for cars then guns; why not make more regulation on mental/psych testing as well as proper gun use testing? (I know there is some, but not to the same extent as a written and performance test, a permit period, and a license.)

Driving is not a right protected under the constitution. We have the right to bear arms. (With A lot of restrictions as it is) You don't have to agree with it, you don't have to like it, but you do have to live with it.

Not targeting you here, but my advice to anyone who believes we need to ban these weapons is simple, There is no Berlin Wall.. Leave. Go somewhere where they are banned. Go move to a socialist country if that's the way you want to live. There is only One America. Don't ruin it for the people who like it.

[Treghc]

I haven't seen anyone argue for the banning of guns. Most of the people here asking for gun control simply wants more regulations placed on the ownership and the process to become an owner of firearms.

[tsbalr120]

Originally Posted by Treghc

I haven't seen anyone argue for the banning of guns. Most of the people here asking for gun control simply wants more regulations placed on the ownership and the process to become an owner of firearms.

Totally. Because there isn't a huge push for an another AWB or anything.

[Volucris]

Yet they neglect that those higtened processes are already in place in the states with mass murders. To that effect they don't help anything. Even after you put in waiting periods, long permit queues, and etcetera, people like Gonzo and ltk will still have a problem with the fact that you can get a gun after all.

Most of those who propose stronger gun control don't know the current laws. The rest are just hell-bent on removing guns entirely.

[custar]

Originally Posted by Treghc

I haven't seen anyone argue for the banning of guns. Most of the people here asking for gun control simply wants more regulations placed on the ownership and the process to become an owner of firearms.

Now you are splitting hairs to a degree. Some people DO seek to ban all private gun ownership, others want such stringent control that the keeping part is totally gutted, while others want to ban certain "types" of guns. Where are you on this spectrum?

Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin

Why can we REQUIRE seatbelts but can't REQUIRE certain safe storage laws (trigger locks, safes, etc)?

Spracks, put this idea down as one for the left. TSA deserves credit for one of the better ideas posted so far. I, for one, don't have a problem with this. How would you enforce it?

custar

[custar]

Originally Posted by Volucris

Yet they neglect that those higtened processes are already in place in the states with mass murders. To that effect they don't help anything. Even after you put in waiting periods, long permit queues, and etcetera, people like Gonzo and ltk will still have a problem with the fact that you can get a gun after all.

Most of those who propose stronger gun control don't know the current laws. The rest are just hell-bent on removing guns entirely.

I think there is a lot of truth in this. As they do with other things, they are willing to move incrementally. By first establishing a beach head by abolishing certain types of guns, they can then move to more types, saying that the ban of some types means that others types can be restricted. Or taxed beyond the ability of most people to own and keep them.

custar

[tomM925]

There is enough control as it is. People who have lost their priveledge (felons, people on probation) cannot legally own firearms. That's the key word here, legally. Yet they still do because they are not obeying laws. What's makes anyone believe further gun control laws will be obeyed? The only people who would be effected are the legal gun owners, the law obiding citizens that are not the ones commiting the crimes (99% of the time.). The overwhelming majority of the time, it's the criminals with the STOLEN GUNS.

Criminals are criminals for a reason. They don't obey current laws and they won't obey future ones either.

That's why any and all proposed laws to further gun control are bull.

[barrel roll]

“Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. We shouldn’t settle for substituting one type of violence for another.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2012/1...#ixzz2G0kpep6u

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[tomM925]

In addition, the ratio of handguns used I'm violent crimes to "assault weapons " is overwhelming. From 2000-2008 there were like 3500 violent crimes commited with rifles, and almost 70,000 commited using handguns. I will find the source when I get home from work tonight.