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Old 02-13-2013, 06:39 PM #757
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"Not only was their lobbyist caught on tape bragging about how he controls the legislature,"


I read an interesting analysis written by a psychiatrist a while back that basically surmized that white men moved from seeking congressional positions, to seeking lobbying positions. Women and minorities entering into congress ultimately amounts to grabbing all the trappings of power without actually having any real power. The real movers and shakers are lobbyists.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:59 PM #758
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"the military has denied the victims a Purple Heart and is treating the incident as "workplace violence" instead of "combat related" or terrorism. "

"Munley and dozens of other victims have now filed a lawsuit against the military alleging the "workplace violence" designation means the Fort Hood victims are receiving lower priority access to medical care as veterans, and a loss of financial benefits available to those who injuries are classified as "combat related."

"Some of the victims "had to find civilian doctors to get proper medical treatment" and the military has not assigned liaison officers to help them coordinate their recovery, said the group's lawyer, Reed Rubinstein. "

The evidence keeps piling up that obama's a scumbag, yet libtards have their blood-soaked fingers in their ears.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:09 PM #759
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That's it? Hey look everyone, there's apparently a few extremists in the NRA whose violent rhetoric contributes more to bad gun culture than the thousands of programs the NRA supports annually to promote good, safe and responsible gun culture.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:02 AM #760
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Now you and your alt are pretending you never got banned when it's in fact common knowledge. I don't know who you expect to believe your BS. Face it, you don't have any credibility around here.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:37 AM #761
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Does it bother you to be so dishonest, or do you not even notice?

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"the military has denied the victims a Purple Heart and is treating the incident as "workplace violence" instead of "combat related" or terrorism. "

"Munley and dozens of other victims have now filed a lawsuit against the military alleging the "workplace violence" designation means the Fort Hood victims are receiving lower priority access to medical care as veterans, and a loss of financial benefits available to those who injuries are classified as "combat related."

"Some of the victims "had to find civilian doctors to get proper medical treatment" and the military has not assigned liaison officers to help them coordinate their recovery, said the group's lawyer, Reed Rubinstein. "

The evidence keeps piling up that obama's a scumbag, yet libtards have their blood-soaked fingers in their ears.
Good work Detective *** Burgers! With you on the case the truth will come out for sure!
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:58 AM #762
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:26 AM #763
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"Not only was their lobbyist caught on tape bragging about how he controls the legislature,"


I read an interesting analysis written by a psychiatrist a while back that basically surmized that white men moved from seeking congressional positions, to seeking lobbying positions. Women and minorities entering into congress ultimately amounts to grabbing all the trappings of power without actually having any real power. The real movers and shakers are lobbyists.
I know several congressional and administration staffers (and a few lobbyists), and based on all accounts this is exactly correct.

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Does it bother you to be so dishonest, or do you not even notice?
I didn't even look for that piece, it popped up in my RSS feed. Any of the following contribute to irresponsible gun culture:
-actively blocking research into gun violence
-promoting "stand your ground" laws which advocate use of force as often as possible
-use inflammatory and violent rhetoric such as "from my cold, dead hands"

I don't really feel like wasting my breath describing how each of these negatively influence gun culture, if you can't see it for yourself I'm not going to change your mind.

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Old 02-14-2013, 09:53 AM #764
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I know several congressional and administration staffers (and a few lobbyists), and based on all accounts this is exactly correct.



I didn't even look for that piece, it popped up in my RSS feed. Any of the following contribute to irresponsible gun culture:
-actively blocking research into gun violence
-promoting "stand your ground" laws which advocate use of force as often as possible
-use inflammatory and violent rhetoric such as "from my cold, dead hands"

I don't really feel like wasting my breath describing how each of these negatively influence gun culture, if you can't see it for yourself I'm not going to change your mind.



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"Stand your ground" laws only give you the right to defend yourself anywhere you have the legal right to be. They do not change the definition of lawful self defense, or promote the use of force. They only make is a legally viable option outside your own home. For example, if I am attacked outside of my home, say in a parking lot, and I defend myself with deadly force. Instead of being immediately arrested and jailed for simply defending myself outside of my own home regardless of the justifiability, the state has to prove that I acted in an illegal manner and that the shooting was in fact not self defense. I don't see any problem with that whatsoever.

Do you honestly believe that "inflammatory and violent rhetoric" from NRA ads has any actual impact on the criminal misuse of firearm?

I don't know a whole lot about the blocking of government funds to research gun violence or the motives at the time. I do know that researching "gun violence" specifically is stupid and would most likely used to push an agenda of disarmament rather than have any actual effect on violent crime. The idea that "gun violence" specifically needs to be researched is really rather stupid. Research on violent behavior as a whole and what factors promote it will yield much more meaningful and useful results. Pretending that "gun violence" is an independent phenomenon that requires specific research makes no sense.

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Old 02-14-2013, 10:41 AM #765
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Do you honestly believe that "inflammatory and violent rhetoric" from NRA ads has any actual impact on the criminal misuse of firearm?
I think he's grasping at straws to justify his dislike of the NRA.

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I don't know a whole lot about the blocking of government funds to research gun violence or the motives at the time. I do know that researching "gun violence" specifically is stupid and would most likely used to push an agenda of disarmament rather than have any actual effect on violent crime. The idea that "gun violence" specifically needs to be researched is really rather stupid. Research on violent behavior as a whole and what factors promote it will yield much more meaningful and useful results. Pretending that "gun violence" is an independent phenomenon that requires specific research makes no sense.
Anti gun activists want to compile lists of which guns are used more frequently in assaults/murders to make arguments against specific makes and models. Also, if some of these people have their way and pass 'gun insurance laws' that data will be used to justify much higher premiums to own guns that are used more often in crimes.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:11 PM #766
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Bzzzt! Wrong. Sorry SP, but stand your ground laws have caused an increase in homicide rates in states that have passed such legislation. http://www.npr.org/2013/01/02/167984...se-in-homicide
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:19 PM #767
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Bzzzt! Wrong. Sorry SP, but stand your ground laws have caused an increase in homicide rates in states that have passed such legislation. http://www.npr.org/2013/01/02/167984...se-in-homicide
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:15 PM #768
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The article further states that the increase of homicides was primarily amongst white males. The people using these laws as a defense are, in many instances, individuals with criminal back grounds. There are to many stories where pin heads use the stand your ground defence to justify bad behavior and literally get away with murder.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:18 PM #769
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The article further states that the increase of homicides was primarily amongst white males. The people using these laws as a defense are, in many instances, individuals with criminal back grounds. There are to many stories where pin heads use the stand your ground defence to justify bad behavior and literally get away with murder.
Uh huh ... literally
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:32 PM #770
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:44 PM #771
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Bzzzt! Wrong. Sorry SP, but stand your ground laws have caused an increase in homicide rates in states that have passed such legislation. http://www.npr.org/2013/01/02/167984...se-in-homicide
I don't have time to read through the entire report. I read a few sections as well as the abstract and the conclusion. Firstly, it is written by an Economist and a master's student. IDK about you, but I would expect a more relevant area of expertise from the author on a report about anything really. When I am looking for technical papers to complete analysis at work I look for ones written by experts in the area, not some guy who decided it might be fun to write a paper about it. They took little to nothing into consideration asside from the passing of a "stand your ground" type law. I find very little compelling information in the portions of the paper I have read.

Again, the law did not alter the definition of justifiable homicide, it simply allows you to defend yourself with force outside of your home. An unjustifiable homicide is still unjustifiable, it simply shifts the burden of proof on the police instead of resulting in an imediate arrest, as it should be.
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:16 PM #772
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Do you honestly believe that "inflammatory and violent rhetoric" from NRA ads has any actual impact on the criminal misuse of firearm?
Yes, and while many gun control advocates don't understand guns, if you disagree you're only demonstrating a misunderstanding of people.

The multi-billion dollar marketing industry is laughing their ***** off at you if you don't think media influences behavior.

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I think he's grasping at straws to justify his dislike of the NRA.
There is no need for grasping at straws, many gun owners dislike the NRA.

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Also, if some of these people have their way and pass 'gun insurance laws' that data will be used to justify much higher premiums to own guns that are used more often in crimes.
Because that's how liability insurance works. If you want to drive a sports car you have to pay the premium. It's as if you want guns to exist in an alternate reality where nobody is responsible for anything involving a gun.

Or we could just drop the "responsible gun owner" pretense and admit you just don't want to be held responsible for accidents involving a dangerous tool.

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I love how sexist and racist comments get you banned, but making fun of disabilities is perfectly acceptable.
With that user name no one cares what you think. You're already worse than any Aspergers joke.
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