Latest School Shooting: Part of Gods Plan? If So, Explain...If Not Explain

chodeyg · 12-25-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ProtoBaller1991

free will

you know, this is always something that confused me. If someone's free will to slap me in the face cancels my free will to be left alone, then I have no free will. At least that is the way I see it.

Saul G · 12-25-2012, 03:22 PM

God hates children

tomM925 · 12-25-2012, 04:15 PM

So God is real...

Says who?

F1VENOM · 12-25-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tomM925

So God is real...

Says who?

Eh? Billions of Christians?

Iamamartianchurch · 12-25-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chodeyg

you know, this is always something that confused me. If someone's free will to slap me in the face cancels my free will to be left alone, then I have no free will. At least that is the way I see it.

One is an act, the other is a desire. Free will doesn't mean I get to sprout wings and fly just for wanting to do it.

To everyone else:
The idea that the only way for God to exist is if the Universe was this paradise where no one fights, gets sick, or dies, is so ****ing stupid it is beyond words.

TheSilentAssassin · 12-25-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch

One is an act, the other is a desire. Free will doesn't mean I get to sprout wings and fly just for wanting to do it.

The idea that the only way for God to exist is if the Universe was this paradise where no one fights, gets sick, or dies, is so ****ing stupid it is beyond words.

Lol have fun martian. This thread is your responsibility now.

Iamamartianchurch · 12-25-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin

Lol have fun martian. This thread is your responsibility now.

Haha. We'll see. Merry Christmas bud.

F1VENOM · 12-25-2012, 04:40 PM

By the way what was the debate about, TSA?

TheSilentAssassin · 12-25-2012, 04:45 PM

You too, martian.

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Originally Posted by F1VENOM

By the way what was the debate about, TSA?

Huh?

F1VENOM · 12-25-2012, 04:51 PM

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Why must everyone twist this conversation into something it is not?

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TheSilentAssassin · 12-25-2012, 04:57 PM

Simply put, it's a ****ty study twisted by ****ty statistics and misunderstanding of how religious statistics work. To be honest, I have said all I would like to say and have left a link that covers the notion quite well and points out all the flaws (confusing non-religious with atheistic when it suits them, ignoring the effects of prison ministries, etc). I would prefer to let this die at this point.

F1VENOM · 12-25-2012, 05:06 PM

I thought that was long ago established, hence my lackluster response.

TheSilentAssassin · 12-25-2012, 05:10 PM

"TSA, call then unsure but hoping for repentance?"

You were trying to define them in terms that I was not. I am simply talking in terms of self-declared religious or non-religious, church attending or non-church attending, etc. I've intentionally used sociological and statistical terms (because that's kinda the point), yet everyone else seems to want to twist this into terms like real and non-real, saved, unsure but hopeful. For the sake of this discussion, I couldn't care less about those things, yet they keep coming back over and over again. It seems impossible to have a reasonable discussion about statistical analysis of religion around here. And it is becoming quite frustrating.

F1VENOM · 12-25-2012, 05:17 PM

You're likely running into our limitations. I've never stepped foot in a Sociology class and my statistical background is pretty limited with only one class in theory and the rest from physics courses.

TheSilentAssassin · 12-25-2012, 05:20 PM

Understandable. It was a smaller part of my graduate work, so I am by no mean an expert either, but I suppose I may have expected too much.

F1VENOM · 12-25-2012, 05:38 PM

I see what you're getting at after re-reading your posts. You'll have to lead me to the koolaide and I'll tell you if I'll drink it. Perhaps I should read the previous pages of debate and the study before I report back.

Treghc · 12-26-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin

I do not claim to "have the authority to say who is truly a religious follower", but I do have the right to determine practicing and non practicing followers, as well as self-declared religious and self-declared non-religious followers, from a sociological perspective. No where am I saying they aren't real, they aren't going to heaven, etc. I AM TALKING IN A STATISTICAL SOCIOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE, and I (as someone who has studied this) have every right to do so.

Alright. That's reasonable.

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Originally Posted by tomM925

God isnt real, science is. Its almost 2013 people. Cmon.

Ugh.

Carnage88 · 01-01-2013, 12:23 PM

The statistics prove nothing other than those that have broken the law want to be pardoned, in this life or the next.

Team Hazmat · 01-05-2013, 05:04 PM

Ok, this is being posted after not reading any other replies in this post, so I appologize if I'm repaeating anything already said.

Now, for the subject at hand.

As for why God let this happened, I don't know.

But, this must be said. God should not be looked at as some puppeteer that controls all we do. Think of Him as a watcher and steps in just enough for those of faith to keep their faith and hopefully to show those who don't believe that He is here for us and loves us.

What happened at Sandyhook is an horrible, terrible thing that should have never happened. But, for those who believe God is real, we can not dwell on it, for those little ones are in His holy hands and the killer has to face His wrath.

Just my input.

God Bless

spracks21 · 01-06-2013, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Hazmat

Ok, this is being posted after not reading any other replies in this post, so I appologize if I'm repaeating anything already said.

Now, for the subject at hand.

As for why God let this happened, I don't know.

But, this must be said. God should not be looked at as some puppeteer that controls all we do. Think of Him as a watcher and steps in just enough for those of faith to keep their faith and hopefully to show those who don't believe that He is here for us and loves us.

What happened at Sandyhook is an horrible, terrible thing that should have never happened. But, for those who believe God is real, we can not dwell on it, for those little ones are in His holy hands and the killer has to face His wrath.

Just my input.

God Bless

What makes you so sure this is an actual description of how God operates? Any supporting scripture that depicts this? Or was that just an idea you liked and decided to believe as true?

Fubarius · 01-09-2013, 10:47 PM

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What makes you so sure this is an actual description of how God operates? Any supporting scripture that depicts this? Or was that just an idea you liked and decided to believe as true?

That's an easy one, you don't even have to get past Genesis. Give that a quick skim, read between the lines a bit.

Could an all powerful being control the world enough that nothing "bad" happens? Sure. But we'd be monkeys in a zoo. Safe, secure, but not free.

Now according to scripture we could have had this, just don't eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge. Be ignorant pets.

Yeah, that would have sucked. So we got the knowledge, we know right from wrong, but with that comes the cost... and the blessing. Choice. Believe what you want, think what you want. But others are free to do that as well. Bad thoughts. Evil thoughts. Crazy thoughts. And the sucky actions that follow.

That's the deal. We have to live with all the bad stuff we bring upon ourselves, or get back in the monkey cage, if it's allowed. And even if it was, I think I'd rather deal with the crap. With danger and strife comes evolution.