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Old 12-14-2012, 09:47 PM #106
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Jesus Christ...

Gonzo, just tell people you don't want to take their guns but you want to be safe and protected.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:47 PM #107
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Why do you insist on limiting firearms and not addressing the actual underlying social issues leading to the violent behavior to begin with?
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:57 PM #108
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:03 PM #109
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0 deaths. That means a mass-murder event did not happen in China today. Ladies and gentlemen, the difference between having a gun and a knife in the same situation, with the same mindset.
only because he wasn't trying to kill them, if he was trying to kill them he would have, it's not that hard.



He was looking to scar them for life and make them have to live with his mark the rest of their lives, that is what "slashers" do....


This world doesn't have a gun problem it has a people problem. People will find ways to kill in mass no matter what tools they have, weather it be guns bombs knifes or even swords and bows.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:32 PM #110
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/...html?hpt=hp_t3

I know this was addressed, but the point still stands. Gonzo claims that this weakens the argument, and I disagree. This man was mentally deranged. A skilled wielder of a knife can easily kill children with a knife. Will it be as quickly as with a gun? No. But the point still stands that guns are not the problem.

Making things illegal does not make people stop doing them. Ask prohibition, heroin, speeding down the highway drunk, and murder for starters. People who want to kill, will. Metal detectors are worthless; an armed psycho will not be shaken at the sound of a loud buzzing sound when he approaches a place with an assault rifle ready to kill. An armed cop at some of these places (notably schools) is a possibility, but you would realistically need one at every entrance IMO to make it practical.

This problem is not with the second amendment, but with the first amendment. People are hearing about these stories due to the media reporting on them and keepoing them in public eye for days on end. This allows these shootouts turn into ideas that enter people's head and those on the mental stability fringe have these ideas get into their head. In a society with so many people worried about "being trendy" that some of these people, these warped people, hear about these things and think "you know, this sounds like a good idea..." and I don't see it going away anytime in the near future.

The media needs to stop giving these situations abundant coverage. People need this idea that a mass shooting is "somehow acceptable" to go away. The guns are not the problem, just a tool being used and blamed.
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Gonzo, just tell people you don't want to take their guns but you want to be safe and protected.

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Somewhere between 25-50% of all people will experience a certifiable mental illness in their lifetime. This is a major issue.
And you wonder why while eating your GMOs and drinking your fluoride water. What a coincidence.
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Old 12-15-2012, 01:45 AM #113
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One of the biggest pieces of BS in circulation. The US is the most armed nation in the world and Americans are rude mother****ers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1566715.stm

Looks like you're pathetic argument is debunked because this proves guns and violence aren't cause and effect.
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Old 12-15-2012, 02:15 AM #114
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And you wonder why while eating your GMOs and drinking your fluoride water. What a coincidence.
Wtf...this is not conspiracy theory with jesse ven****ingtura time.
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Wtf...this is not conspiracy theory with jesse ven****ingtura time.
So you think it's just a coincidence that more people than ever in history are mentally ill? And just in America?
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Guns aren't the problem, the media is the problem.



Also explains why mass shootings started increasing ever since the media has become more widespread. Why wasn't this a problem 60 years ago? Exactly.

Tell me how banning guns would have prevented this shooting when:

The state has an Assault Weapons Ban.
The state has capacity restrictions.
The state has waiting periods.
The state has handgun registries.
The state makes you take classes, submit to FBI background checks and pay fees to get permits.

And the school is a "gun free zone".

How did all of those restrictions work out? Quite nicely?

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Old 12-15-2012, 08:08 AM #117
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And you wonder why while eating your GMOs and drinking your fluoride water. What a coincidence.
****ing amazing.

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So you think it's just a coincidence that more people than ever in history are mentally ill? And just in America?
It's like you think that just because you say it, it is true.
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His mother probably had left him some fluorinated water at his bedside table after tucking him in.
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:25 AM #119
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Yesterday, the mainstream media sunk to a new low in its rush to build the latest death circus. Following a horrific school shooting in a Connecticut kindergarten, news sources -- chiefly CNN -- jumped to dangerous speculation, going so far as to the publicize the killer's Facebook account.

Unfortunately, it was the wrong Facebook account. It belonged to the killer's brother, who had just that day lost both his brother and mother -- who was teaching at the school -- and now was dealing with a torrent of kneejerk abuse from those who get off on contrived outrage.

However, Ryan Lanza was not the only person wrongfully targeted by the media. After discovering his Facebook page, CNN's audience noticed Ryan had "liked" Mass Effect, and that tenuous link was enough to kickstart a witch hunt.

Ironically, after being inspired to stupidity by bad media influences, a bunch of dribbling idiots went to attack a game for being a bad media influence.


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Anyone who has played Mass Effect, knows that it is close to Star Wars. Hardly a cause for gun toting violence. Fox news took a more general blanket approach and said many things are the cause.

Because I feel this is a media issue, I want people to remember this issue as being equally botched by all networks, and not just Fox (which some of you will claim in a few days) Apparently the brother of the shooter took most offense to CNN having reported his name first. Because "being first is important"
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Yesterday, the mainstream media sunk to a new low in its rush to build the latest death circus. Following a horrific school shooting in a Connecticut kindergarten, news sources -- chiefly CNN -- jumped to dangerous speculation, going so far as to the publicize the killer's Facebook account.

Unfortunately, it was the wrong Facebook account. It belonged to the killer's brother, who had just that day lost both his brother and mother -- who was teaching at the school -- and now was dealing with a torrent of kneejerk abuse from those who get off on contrived outrage.

However, Ryan Lanza was not the only person wrongfully targeted by the media. After discovering his Facebook page, CNN's audience noticed Ryan had "liked" Mass Effect, and that tenuous link was enough to kickstart a witch hunt.

Ironically, after being inspired to stupidity by bad media influences, a bunch of dribbling idiots went to attack a game for being a bad media influence.


http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012...ing-media-fail

Anyone who has played Mass Effect, knows that it is close to Star Wars. Hardly a cause for gun toting violence. Fox news took a more general blanket approach and said many things are the cause.

Because I feel this is a media issue, I want people to remember this issue as being equally botched by all networks. Apparently the brother of the shooter took most offense to CNN having reported his name first. Because "being first is important"
. It's ridiculous how thirsty the media is. And don't even mention all if the trendy kids on Facebook.....
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It's clear we have a real problem on our hands.

Preventing this specific person from getting guns would have done nothing considering he got them from his mom who used them for sport.
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Gonzo has brought up some good points.

The shooter killed his own mother and stole her guns to commit the act. Stealing guns is a crime, murder is a crime.

Restricting what law abiding citizens have rights to doesn't really effect criminals. Eventually, it may hamper the ease of access criminals have to such things, but at what cost? There are many drugs that are illegal and carry stiff penalties for possession and distribution, but they are still common and available.

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Remember, killing isn't a misuse of a gun. It's the intended use.
This, I disagree with. I won't argue that firearms were born to create a military edge, to make someone more lethal. However, to say killing is the intended purpose of a firearm implies that every firearm I own is for the purpose of killing people, and my target shooting is a misuse of it.

I am a CCW holder, and target shooter. I do not intend to kill a human with any of my firearms. That is not the purpose I intend for them. I hope that I never have to draw my gun in defense of myself, or another. Saying that the intended use of a firearm is to kill also places nefarious implications on the purchaser as well, which is not fair, or correct.
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what have the current guns laws given us?

Back when my parents were in school students were allowed to keep guns in their cars on school grounds and they could buy a fully automatic machinegun without a background check. Many of them went hunting afterwards and it was never a big deal. In today's society you'd be thrown in prison for years if you did that.

More laws haven't done **** to curb violence like this nor will increases in guns and ammo taxes. You really think someone that is going to commit murder suicide really cares about cost? There's a morality issue in America today not a lack of feel good regulation based on knee jerk reactions.

A Godless society is less empathetic. It's that live for today mentality that causes selfiesh destructive behavior for themselves and future generations.



and one more thing....the media talks about semiautomatic guns like it's a new thing. The first semiautoic gun was produced back in 1893. They've been available to American citizens for over a hundred years.
Also can someone explain to me the difference between a gunman and a murderer? Why does this "gunman" label even exist?....n/m i know, solely for political reasons to paint a bad light on guns. I'm sure the psychologist are working hard to find some reason to justify this killers actions.....remember it's the guns fault we can't demonize mental illness because it might hurt people's feelings, which is why we go after the inanimate object
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Murph, so a godless society is less empathetic, but creating more laws to curb violence?

does not compute.

I've argued this before saying a glock and a musket have different purposes, but I'm an avid believer in rights to bear arms, and I haven't even owned a gun in 5 years.

You cannot directly relate the number of guns or gun owners in my opinion to mass shootings, otherwise we should see a logical chart of countries with their number of guns and how many mass shooting a year they have, but we don't see that. We just have America as the giant ball of violence on the planet.

I am happy to support action that would curb this kind of violence, but I don't see any viable way to do it. What's frustrating is we're obviously doing something or we wouldn't have the maddening violence rate that's so much higher than the rest of the world.
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Gonzo feels safer at the building with the sign on the left, I feel safer at the building with the sign from the right.
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Gonzo feels safer at the building with the sign on the left, I feel safer at the building with the sign from the right.
Call me a sane, but I DONT want to be armed in my classroom.
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