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Old 12-14-2012, 02:16 PM #22
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Why do these things happen in Gun free zones?

Because criminals know there is a group of defenseless people. They are criminals they don't follow laws.

The fact that the media is interviewing the children after what they went through for political fodder is terrible.

That being said I am utterly disgusted and sad.

EDIT: today in china a guy with a knife slashed 22 children. Ban guns for people who follow laws and it won't make a differnce
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:16 PM #23
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:21 PM #24
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EDIT: today in china a guy with a knife slashed 22 children. Ban guns for people who follow laws and it won't make a differnce
0 deaths. That means a mass-murder event did not happen in China today. Ladies and gentlemen, the difference between having a gun and a knife in the same situation, with the same mindset.

This is the elephant that is standing behind every person that says guns don't kill people.

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Bam. Nice work. Put down that dog. It's not our imagination that we hear a lot about gunplay these days.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:23 PM #25
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Look up crimes involving knives in the UK.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:23 PM #26
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Well **** me running, all my guns must be defective; they've never killed anyone while I've had them.

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I can't view their source. The FBI table shows agg assaults which include deadly weapon:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...tables/table-1

Also, it fails to address the increase in amount of people who'd actually bother to go to a hospital not to mention obvious advances in hospital record sharing.

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Old 12-14-2012, 02:27 PM #27
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It has to do with social stigma as well as access.

I would also attribute a lot of gun violence to an increasingly prevalent attitude that resorting to firearms is a justifiable method of conflict resolution. Laws in "stand your ground" states have only bolstered this attitude.
I disagree.
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talk radio logic applied to last week's shooting at Oregon in the mall: If the mall wasn't a gun free zone, the shooter would not have been able to kill anyone.

I cannot wait to hear how they apply this thinking here.

This is a tragedy. Every shooting is. I can't think of how you can really stop someone from doing something like this.
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Doesn't all schools have resource officers? At least mine did. Need someone there to defend all the defenseless people at least.
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I disagree.
Care to expand on that?

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Well **** me running, all my guns must be defective; they've never killed anyone while I've had them.
Oh come on. I own a deer rifle and a Remington clone myself, but it'd be idiotic to claim it wouldn't be easier to kill someone/thing with a rifle rather than a knife.
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Look up crimes involving knives in the UK.
Let's.

http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/Sn04304

What do you think those statistics show?

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talk radio logic applied to last week's shooting at Oregon in the mall: If the mall wasn't a gun free zone, the shooter would not have been able to kill anyone.

I cannot wait to hear how they apply this thinking here.

This is a tragedy. Every shooting is. I can't think of how you can really stop someone from doing something like this.
Yes, this is going to be something for those types to chew on, because elementary schools are de-facto gun free zones regardless. Or they ought to be. I mean when you have to start consciously arming people around an elementary school, you really have to think about the direction we are going as a country.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:47 PM #32
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Care to expand on that
Honestly not really.

I'm on a different wavelength than you guys most of the time. I figure we would most likely stay on different ones if we carried out the conversation. I didn't feel right just leaving you hanging without saying something.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:47 PM #33
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No doubt it would be. But it doesn't change the fact that if there is a person wanting to hurt others they sadly will weather or not the use a gun, a knife, or a baseball bat.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:49 PM #34
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A useful statistic, but what about the occurrence of mass shootings?
Did we ever get an answer to this? Are mass shootings on the rise or is that simply perception?
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:50 PM #35
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Let's.

http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/Sn04304

What do you think those statistics show?
That people will hurt others despite what ever you ban.



Now tell me why gun free zones are a good idea when those are the area where most of these killings take place.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:51 PM #36
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That people will hurt others despite what ever you ban.
Now it's just about "hurting" people ... let's just ignore the whole distinction between hurting someone and KILLING them.

"Guns don't KILL people ..."
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:52 PM #37
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There is so much stupid coming from all directions in here...
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:53 PM #38
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Fact: China kills criminals. Quickly might I add. Acquisition of illegal guns in china is easier than in the US. Most crimes committed there are by the gov.

Question is here: why all of a sudden all the mass shootings? Why are they getting worse? Is there a political agenda to cause panic and justify the disarming of law biding citizens once and for all?
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Is there a political agenda to cause panic and justify the disarming of law biding citizens once and for all?
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Now it's just about "hurting" people ... let's just ignore the whole distinction between hurting someone and KILLING them.

"Guns don't KILL people ..."
To blame a gun for a death is to blame a pen for a misspelled word.


Now tell me why gun free zones are a good idea when those are the areas where most of these killings take place.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:56 PM #41
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Obama has been orchestrating these shootings en masse with the help of the Massad to encourage the public to push stronger gun control initiatives.
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Question is here: why all of a sudden all the mass shootings? Why are they getting worse? Is there a political agenda to cause panic and justify the disarming of law biding citizens once and for all?
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