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Old 06-17-2013, 10:55 AM #1
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arizona immigration law overturned

not really sure how to take this. on one hand you have to have a valid id to vote, thats reasonable. but, if you let the law pass there will be cops on every corner profiling and more than likely chaos and violence throughout arizona. opinions?
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:34 AM #2
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Just came to post about this.

I think Arizona should just enforce the law anyways and force the government to do something about it. I would encourage other states to follow Arizona's lead and mandate that people prove themselves as citizens. Allowing illegal aliens to vote cheapens the voting right and Mexico has no place dictating American politics. Total farce. Supreme Court should be ashamed. This law had nothing to do with cops on every corner and everything to do with catering to illegal aliens, specifically from Mexico.
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I support what the law was trying to do. But it was written poorly and could easily been abused. I wasn't surprised it failed.
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Just get rid of the profiling portion of the law, and get right to requiring ID's to vote. I'm in favor of ID'ing voters as long as the person's ID isn't tied to their vote, meaning I'd still want it to be an anonymous ballot.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:27 PM #5
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Just get rid of the profiling portion of the law, and get right to requiring ID's to vote. I'm in favor of ID'ing voters as long as the person's ID isn't tied to their vote, meaning I'd still want it to be an anonymous ballot.
As long as ID's are free and easily gotten, I don't have a problem with this. Otherwise you're going to end up disenfranchising the elderly, the immobile and the poor (who under current law have the right to vote, like it or not).

That said, if you're going to make them free and easily gotten, someone who wants to game the system is going to anyway so what's the point?
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That said, if you're going to make them free and easily gotten, someone who wants to game the system is going to anyway so what's the point?
If people are going to cheat on their taxes, why have them? Why do I have to pay for an ID and someone doesn't?
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Old 06-17-2013, 05:56 PM #7
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Anybody think that I.D. requirements for taxes and driving are also intrusive and unnecessary? Also I.D. requirements for purchasing a gun.
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you do need a liscence to drive, thats a privealge. you are obligated to vote, and need to provide some kind of identification. i think a non drivers liscence is like 10 bucks and not hard at all to get
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A lot easier to get than an education, that's for sure.
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You need a ID to vote here in GA. I've never heard or seen any problems because of it.
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As long as ID's are free and easily gotten, I don't have a problem with this. Otherwise you're going to end up disenfranchising the elderly, the immobile and the poor (who under current law have the right to vote, like it or not).
A state issued ID (non-driver's ID) cost like $9-$10. You can easily get one form your local DMV. The elderly, immobile, and poor will NOT be disenfranchised. If a person is mobile enough to get out and vote, then they are mobile enough to get state issued ID. The only people that would be disenfranchised are illegal immigrants who are incapable of obtaining proper ID. You might also alienate individuals who have warrants out for their arrest, and don't want to get ID in fear of being arrested... but I don't have a problem with that!
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you do need a liscence to drive, thats a privealge. you are obligated to vote, and need to provide some kind of identification. i think a non drivers liscence is like 10 bucks and not hard at all to get
If that's true (bolded), we would have had a little more than the 57.5% voter turnout we saw in the 2012 election. Voting is a right for a US citizen, not an obligation. Just like with many other rights, though, a citizen would be somewhat foolish not to exercise their rights in casting their vote.
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i said that becasue thats my personal opinioin, but no you dont HAVE TO vote. why would you not vote? just turn in a blank ballot and be done, took me 15 min to vote last election
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In other words, we will let all the illegal immigrants from hispanicville keep voting for democrats and taking jobs that the blacks are too lazy to do apparently out in California. Too busy joining the Bloods and Crips and getting destroyed on crack. Right dawg?
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A state issued ID (non-driver's ID) cost like $9-$10. You can easily get one form your local DMV. The elderly, immobile, and poor will NOT be disenfranchised. If a person is mobile enough to get out and vote, then they are mobile enough to get state issued ID. The only people that would be disenfranchised are illegal immigrants who are incapable of obtaining proper ID. You might also alienate individuals who have warrants out for their arrest, and don't want to get ID in fear of being arrested... but I don't have a problem with that!
In Texas, for example, "going to your local DMV" can be one hell of a trip. Also, $9 is a poll tax, even if it's a small one. That's why, in study after study about this issue, reputable studies predict significant disenfranchisement.

This has been done to death. It doesn't work with our current systems.
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A state issued ID (non-driver's ID) cost like $9-$10. You can easily get one form your local DMV. The elderly, immobile, and poor will NOT be disenfranchised. If a person is mobile enough to get out and vote, then they are mobile enough to get state issued ID. The only people that would be disenfranchised are illegal immigrants who are incapable of obtaining proper ID. You might also alienate individuals who have warrants out for their arrest, and don't want to get ID in fear of being arrested... but I don't have a problem with that!
Bold formatting and caps doesn't make it true. This type of error is common for the social security administration.

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/...ors/index.html

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In Texas, for example, "going to your local DMV" can be one hell of a trip. Also, $9 is a poll tax, even if it's a small one. That's why, in study after study about this issue, reputable studies predict significant disenfranchisement.

This has been done to death. It doesn't work with our current systems.
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