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Old 12-09-2012, 09:43 PM #106
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I can't say with certainty because I can't find a list of countries that have signed the treaty, but I'm guessing that Mexico was among the 155 countries that have signed it. I honestly don't think other countries will think that we don't care for our disabled just because we didn't sign this treaty. I think even the most uneducated and backwards third world countries know that we take care of our disabled, so I can't imagine us not signing this treaty will change anything in the world what so ever.
Okay dude, I tried to shed a little light on the issue to show why the signing of this non-binding treaty may matter to those of us that deal with this sort of thing on a day to day basis. It does not matter: the thing wasn't signed, 'our sovereignty' (our home schooling?) remains safe and sound, and all those republicans are still world-class champine *******s...its just that now the entire world knows it. You, know they almost gave me a reason to believe that they may NOT all be complete *******s, but alas, they proved me wrong...again. But hey, why am I complaining, this is just another segment of the population that will be giving the GOP the middle finger when mid-terms roll around. Great move guys!
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:52 PM #107
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Don't make the assumption that I agree with the dick measuring we do around the world under the guise of spreading peace and democracy. I'm sick of sacrificing American lives in dusty **** hole countries, and I'm sick of pissing away trillions on people that will never pay us back.
Agreed. HOWEVER: It would be a great change of pace for countries to recognize (and want to be like us) us for our taking care of and protecting the most vulnerable amongst us and not just for breaking **** in 'dusty **** hole countries.' I refuse to believe that is a bad thing.

I tried to use your dick-measuring analogy in there some where but it just didn't go...
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:23 AM #108
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Breaking **** in dusty countries is most of the reason we could afford to take care and protect our most vulnerable. Compassion always comes at a price my friend.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:08 AM #109
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That may be the case (and i may buy it up to a point), but adulation of violence while ignoring compassion and striking it down for no real reason will never make sense to me. We are the most powerful country in the world. We can do both.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:12 AM #110
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That may be the case (and i may buy it up to a point), but adulation of violence while ignoring compassion and striking it down for no real reason will never make sense to me. We are the most powerful country in the world. We can do both.
We do both though.

I dont know if I would call this treaty compassionate. I don't think a bunch of wealthy nations, who have plundered or benefited from the plundering of, broe beating lesser nations really qualifies.

" Hey guys, we've been milking your cows for decades now and couldn't help but notice you don't treat your citizens quite the way we like. Do you, you know, think that maybe, you could like...fix it? We aren't asking much, we know you're kinda broke...."

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Old 12-10-2012, 11:22 AM #111
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We do both though.
Not in this particular instance. Republicans voted against setting and being the example.
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The example was already set with our current laws.
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:35 PM #113
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The example was already set with our current laws.
...Which could have been held up as an example to follow, except they voted against it... Our own example was voted against by our own law makers... Funny no?
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:45 PM #114
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Just another example of republicans getting to tell their constituents they said no to the liberals
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:07 PM #115
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...Which could have been held up as an example to follow, except they voted against it... Our own example was voted against by our own law makers... Funny no?
The UN is a waste anyway. It doesn't matter to me as long as they aren't signing any treaties.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:21 PM #116
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Not in this particular instance. Republicans voted against setting and being the example.
Yes, there are instances of compassion and aggression. That is what I was saying.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:08 PM #117
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...Which could have been held up as an example to follow, except they voted against it... Our own example was voted against by our own law makers... Funny no?
How are they not held up as an example? You act like they voted to remove the rights that we have in place already. Really they voted to not sign an international treaty which we obviously support by the fact we are already have programs in place that called for in the treaty.

Do you honestly think another country will be like "well guys, 155 other countries signed. The US does it already. But you know, they didn't physically sign a useless piece of paper. So I don't think we should help the disabled."

No. Not signing this does nothing just as signing it would have done nothing.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:19 PM #118
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Actually the US's hypocrisy on this will be quite damaging to the overall effort. Remember the US also signed it.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:21 PM #119
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:23 PM #120
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Actually the US's hypocrisy on this will be quite damaging to the overall effort. Remember the US also signed it.
Why is it hypocrisy? It would be hypocrisy if we helped develop that standards and then did not follow them. However, we set up our policy. The UN liked it and copied it so I don't see how we are hypocrites if we don't sign.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:27 PM #121
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The UN is a waste anyway. It doesn't matter to me as long as they aren't signing any treaties.
Odd that we can rally (or bully) countries to get a reslolution to go to war, but then scoff at its importance when something other than war is at issue. Again, I cant help if some wish to remain obtuse. Fine by me as this will only serve to further ostracise the party. Thank you for your time.

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The UN is just as worthless as its predecessors. All the crap going down in the world, and they choose to step in in Labia (latest example)?
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The UN is just as worthless as its predecessors. All the crap going down in the world, and they choose to step in in Labia (latest example)?
I don't know if it's intentional or not but I lost it.
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:54 AM #125
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I think the ones who are giving the disabled people the finger are the democrats. A chunk of their voter base are freeloaders with their hands out. If we completely cut off those too lazy, yet capable of working we can easily take far better care of the unfortunate paople who CANNOT work.No i dont consider add or popping out kids every year a reason not to work
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