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Old 11-17-2012, 10:15 PM #1
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Which is better? Conservative governance or liberal?

Which is better? Conservative governance or liberal?

Which type of governing system is better and why? Which do you prefer?

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Old 11-17-2012, 10:24 PM #2
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Define conservative and liberal.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:29 PM #3
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How about compromise?

No, just kidding. Way too radical a concept.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:41 PM #4
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:52 PM #5
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Define conservative and liberal.
Conservative generally being less govt., less regulation, less taxes, greater individual liberty

Liberal generally being more govt., more regulations, greater taxes resulting in money for those that people that are determined to need assistance, as a result of greater regulation, less individual liberty but a more disciplined society
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:54 PM #6
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So the commonly held misconceptions, thanks stupid media.

In an encounter with the egotistical conqueror Alexander the Great, after being asked if he wanted anything, Diogenes of Sinope (a remarkable thinker of classical Greece, one of the Cynics who were known for defying convention, deriding superstition, rejecting money and kings, being scornful of sophisms, and disdainful of Plato) replied, "Stand a little less between me and the sun."
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Conservative generally being less govt., less regulation, less taxes, greater individual liberty

Liberal generally being more govt., more regulations, greater taxes resulting in money for those that people that are determined to need assistance, as a result of greater regulation, less individual liberty but a more disciplined society
I can feel the breeze from that swing all the way down here.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:21 PM #8
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let me ask this, the many of you that are "ok" with things like welfare, universal health care, and so on...why?

Why should someone be forced to help another aganst their own will?
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:40 PM #9
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It's not against your will, no one's keeping you here. If you look around the world, these things work out pretty when put into practice.
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:02 AM #10
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let me ask this, the many of you that are "ok" with things like welfare, universal health care, and so on...why?

Why should someone be forced to help another aganst their own will?
For the same reason you have to pay taxes for everything else.
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:04 AM #11
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let me ask this, the many of you that are "ok" with things like welfare, universal health care, and so on...why?

Why should someone be forced to help another aganst their own will?
because youre supposed to help people. like a poster above stated, you dont have to do ****, you just gotta live in a mud hut in the amazon.

everyone is helped somehow, whether it be getting checks from the government or making sure that apple doesnt tie your *** down in a basement somewhere and force you to build ipods for $1.50 an hour.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:01 AM #12
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Conservative generally being less govt., less regulation, less taxes, greater individual liberty

Liberal generally being more govt., more regulations, greater taxes resulting in money for those that people that are determined to need assistance, as a result of greater regulation, less individual liberty but a more disciplined society
I know when I think of liberals I think of less liberty and more discipline
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I know when I think of liberals I think of less liberty and more discipline
I think of more welfare and more hand-holding
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:42 AM #14
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Conservative generally being less govt., less regulation, less taxes, greater individual liberty

Liberal generally being more govt., more regulations, greater taxes resulting in money for those that people that are determined to need assistance, as a result of greater regulation, less individual liberty but a more disciplined society
By your definition, definitely conservative. Too bad there are virtually no conservatives in office.
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:43 AM #15
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because youre supposed to help people.
That is the problem right there. People should help others because they want to, not because the goverment DEMANDS it of them.

The goverment is there to provide basics like roads, power grids, and defense. They are not there to act like a saftey net for people too stupid or too lazy to get off their ***** and WORK.
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:47 AM #16
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let me ask this, the many of you that are "ok" with things like welfare, universal health care, and so on...why?

Why should someone be forced to help another aganst their own will?
Why should you not be forced? Why shouldn't you be forced to help more?
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:05 AM #17
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The goverment is there to provide basics like roads, power grids, and defense.
That's a valid opinion, but not an indisputable fact. The government is there to do whatever the majority of people in the country want it to do, subject to constitutional limitations.
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That is the problem right there. People should help others because they want to, not because the goverment DEMANDS it of them.

The goverment is there to provide basics like roads, power grids, and defense. They are not there to act like a saftey net for people too stupid or too lazy to get off their ***** and WORK.
The government is not my charity of choice.
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Do you really think that private donations could provide even half of the social safety net we currently have?

The purpose of those programs are to aid the poor temporarily. Not to make you feel good about your donation. Christ you people are dense
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The government is not my charity of choice.
Social safety nets are not charity. They're a stopgap on failings inherent to our social, economic and cultural institutions.
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Do you really think that private donations could provide even half of the social safety net we currently have?

The purpose of those programs are to aid the poor temporarily. Not to make you feel good about your donation. Christ you people are dense
If the "poor" did not plan right, did not look out for themselves, then why is that MY problem?

Look I have told my story many times here. I know what its like to go hungry, I know what its like to sleep under a bush on a city street. I still did not ask for ANY help, I made it up on my own. I grabed my own bootstraps and pulled myself upright, then dug my heals in and worked my *** off. I am flat out sick of supporting lazy, good for nothing, worthless people who wont TRY.
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